Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

 

Nope it's all me, my sister isn't interested in the least bit. I never said I have access to JetNet.

Josh

You did write this:

Correct although the Jetnet page indicates the 77W will remain three class NOT two.

Josh

So, how do you know what JetNet says? Feel free to get creative.

This is your out, shadowman; don't let us down...

 

[topDawg]

upon the presentation of the facts, I can obviously only allow each person to make their decision.

You are clearly bright and capable of interpreting all of the data on the table.

that said, we have had this same type of discussion a number of different times before regarding changes to DL staffing in particular locations; I believe the last time also involved MEM - but we had DTW maintenance thrown in there too so I can't remember all of the timing. I asked in both cases for an update on what took place. Can you provide any updates on those who were impacted - where they landed etc?

BTW, carry on with the inquisition of Josh. We really have no idea who he is or in what context to take his comments.

Full disclosure at least with respect to the airline industry is pretty much the baseline for those who participate in this forum. Names and outside interests/activities are irrelevant. One's connection to the airline industry is absolutely relevant.

All over the system. Some went to MSP, some came here. Some went to the new stations (MSY, BNA, MCI) and I think even a few got the great chance to go to NYC..... 
 
and it sucks for those that went to NYC because they are stuck there for two years.....of course now Delta has a ton of openings in ATL and MSP. 
 

Kev,
as to the part about DL increasing the size of its mainline domestic fleet, pilots are being told that DL will retain more 757s than originally planned and DL is looking at increasing the size of aircraft that DL use in the western US above what was previously planned in order to increase the number of passengers that can be handled thru LAX and SEA where facilities are constrained - and SEA is working with DL to add more than the 4 gates which DL will already get next year.
Further, marketing wanted to grow the mainline operation faster than happened this summer but it didn't happen because mktg requested the increases too late for flight ops to staff. The expectation is also that JFK and SEA will be the focal points for DL's int'l growth over the next few years with the arrival of new aircraft. The relatively minor tweaks that DL is making in other cities are more than offset by growth elsewhere.


btw, pilots have also been told that DL profit sharing for all employees should finish the year between $900-950 million which would support my estimates that profit sharing for DL employees could surpass 12% for all of 2014 and that you will get the 2nd part of your 2014 profit sharing on Valentine's Day 2015 that will be only a little smaller than what you got this year.


profitable growth is always an employees best friend. DL is providing it in spades.

757 numbers have not changed. 
 
and more than likely wont now that it looks like the 320s are sticking around. 
 

are you sure about that? I thought SkyWest did RJ BW ground handling in SLC? I thought MSP, DTW, and SLC were the 3 hubs where DL mainline does not do RJ ground handling while they do at ATL, JFK, LGA (non Shuttle), CVG, and LAX. correct me if I am wrong.

even so, DL is adding MORE flights than what existed last year ON TOP OF the increase in gauge so DL employees would benefit EVEN IF moving flights from RJ oeprators to DL doesn't change who works them. the number of flights and employees needed are both increasing.


are you telling me that even in hub operations, DL uses the same number of employees to staff an RJ gate as they do a 739ER or 757? somehow I doubt it even if that is what they do in a spoke city where a crew might see a mixture of RJs and mainline on the same gate.

in SLC OO works everything on the E gates I think it is. The rest is mainline. 

 

[737823]

Josh i know steve from my haydays in bos i do think we have our own peeps in cargo

You did write this:So, how do you know what JetNet says? Feel free to get creative.This is your out, shadowman; don't let us down...

Apparently the same way Robert Roach sold our US M&R as 700 posted.

I don't have access to JetNet or any AA systems except AA.com

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

dawg,
although I have set foot on Ga. Tech's campus (UGa too), you won't find my name on any list of alumni of any Georgia academic institution.

whether the company is making money or not is no justification for cutting jobs in one part of the company... you won't a company in the US that is motivated by profits that will justify keeping a position filled just because the company is making money. If work doesn't exist where it once did, someone is going to have to change jobs and might have to move, profits or no profits.

DL's schedule is published and the change in flights or seats can be calculated. YOU tell me what time period you want to look at (weeks, actual days, or months) and I will tell you the EXACT change in number of flights and seats over the corresponding year ago period.

let's just say I will leave sleeping dogs alone regarding the rest of the subjects.

Glad to hear that at least some of the mechanics moved south even if a few ended up in NYC.

 

[Kev3188]

Apparently the same way Robert Roach sold our US M&R as 700 posted.

I don't have access to JetNet or any AA systems except AA.com

Josh

So when you cited JetNet on another thread you were just talking out of your a$$?

 

[737823]

So when you cited JetNet on another thread you were just talking out of your a$$?

It's well known AA 77W will remain three cabin. Overspeed was confusing the fleet types.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

...And you specifically cited Jetnet to correct him. How were you able to get on there?

 

[WorldTraveler]

he's stuck in a web of deception, Kev.

he doesn't know what he said or didn't say or how to try to pull it all together.

Josh did help me see that a conversation with 700 is not such a difficult thing.

 

[robbedagain]

Jetnet is a company email web for aa folks and us folks soon if not now its not for the general public

 

[737823]

Josh i know steve from my haydays in bos i do think we have our own peeps in cargo

Do you by chance know if he is a member of the tribe?

Josh

 

[topDawg]

dawg,
although I have set foot on Ga. Tech's campus (UGa too), you won't find my name on any list of alumni of any Georgia academic institution.

you would fit in well at Tech. 
 

whether the company is making money or not is no justification for cutting jobs in one part of the company... you won't a company in the US that is motivated by profits that will justify keeping a position filled just because the company is making money. If work doesn't exist where it once did, someone is going to have to change jobs and might have to move, profits or no profits.

So now your saying the work isn't there in SLC? uh okay. 

 

DL's schedule is published and the change in flights or seats can be calculated. YOU tell me what time period you want to look at (weeks, actual days, or months) and I will tell you the EXACT change in number of flights and seats over the corresponding year ago period.

I don't want see flights or seats. How many mainline flights is (again, Mainline only) SLC up YOY. 
If its more than 2% I'll be completely shocked. 

 

let's just say I will leave sleeping dogs alone regarding the rest of the subjects.

Good idea. 

 

Glad to hear that at least some of the mechanics moved south even if a few ended up in NYC.

It sucks for those guys but it is what it is. 
 
Want to be safe move to ATL. Anything else is fair game with Delta. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

for this week vs. one year ago in SLC,
DL narrowbody mainline flights are up by 8% and seats are up by 7.5%. (slightly smaller gauge). average of 105 flights/day

DL widebody mainline flights are up from 3 to 4/day.

RJ flights are down by 11% to 111 per day on average.

DL mainline provides 70% of the seats that bear the DL code in SLC. (as you know there are also SkyWest operated turboprop flights on which DL codeshares but they are operated at risk by OO; DL does not buy the capacity but pays SkyWest only for the seats DL sells).

Last year DL mainline provided 66% of the DL coded seats from SLC.

Not only are DL flight ops up and RJ down resulting in a higher percentage of mainline seats than a year ago, but the average aircraft size for all DL coded flights has increased by 5 seats/flight.

be shocked.

 

[Airlinelifer]

That was then and this is now. NWA has been gone since 01/2010, the IAM has been decertified since 11/2010, this is Delta. NWA and the IAM are no longer in the picture.

Josh

No longer in the picture but NW sure added ramp stations that DL "opened?" for bidding for PMDL rampers........

I guess DL doesn't know how to adjust the headcount to correspond to the amount of work the cargo facilities handle. DL can't risk ever going under the 1 billion/quarter mark.

That open door, kumbaya stuff is thrown out the door, (right before the holidays)

Way to go DL.

 

[topDawg]

for this week vs. one year ago in SLC,
DL narrowbody mainline flights are up by 8% and seats are up by 7.5%. (slightly smaller gauge). average of 105 flights/day

I knew when I posted this was a stupid thing to say. 
 
so and avg of 105 flights a day, what is the avg. last year? (I am assuming around 96-98 or so?) 
 
Being up 8ish mainline flights is really not in the big picture. Kev would have to say for sure, but I am willing to bet that would mean nothing for ramp staffing. 
 
(and the only reason why I say that is if we look at like ATL and its up 8% it paints a picture of being up the same amount as SLC when in fact we are talking 8 v 80 flights) 
 
So

 

[Kev3188]

Being up 8ish mainline flights is really not in the big picture. Kev would have to say for sure, but I am willing to bet that would mean nothing for ramp staffing.

Exactly. All the more so if the place is already correctly staffed or a bit "fat."

All the more reason why I agree with you that farming out SLC AF is a dick move...