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josh,  just one question here...   How do you know the schedules and things if you are not an active member of AA or DL  or any other air carrier?  That is for crews and employees to know depending on the area of work  not for anyone on the outside to know?????
I have lots of friends who work for AA across management, agents, F/As, and pilots. I'm on AA aircraft several times in a given week so I know many faces. AA is a big part of my life, and it's truly sad to see USAIR destroying it. I don't know any AS, DL ,US employees (besides Tim), or WN but I do know a couple B6 and UA (sCO)

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usually those types of things are confidential and I would think HIPPA would be part of it.. USAIRWAYS is not completely destroying AA.
 
Another win for APFA ...amendment to the TA ... Just announced this weekend we can now drop down to zero hrs per month and keep all of our benifts. We only need to fly 480hrs in a calendar year!! This is great flexibility!! This TA will pass and is industry leading in it totality!!
 
Profit sharing is a form of gambling over having direct wages that are concrete and guaranteed. It's a form of  "deferred" or "possible" compensation that is only triggered IF the company earns a profit and triggers the payout. Bills aren't paid through possibilities and you also can't apply for a loan for anything based on informing the lender "Well I get PS at the end of the year and I THINK it's going to be this much"

Do I THINK the airlines are going to be profitable for many years to come? YES! But we also know looking at this Ebola Crapola, Russia invading the Ukraine and a softening of the economies in Europe, Japan and China. Not to mention issues with Venezuela and now Argentina that global issues do put a crimp on profits and can even possibly grind them to a complete halt. 

Touting up the benefits of possibilities over absolutes is irresponsible and quite frankly foolish economically. Your personal finances aren't something that should be thrown to a Roulette wheel no matter how good the odds.

Doug Parker has said he's not a fan of PS in contracts but he also said if that's really what the Unions want then OK. It was the APFA that ultimately "CHOSE" to forgo it for direct wages and benefits to their contract and I agree with that decision and hope my negotiators do too.

I want my company to keep it's profits. They can use it to pay down debt, make capital improvements and reward shareholders (Which I'm also one) Profits should be used to strengthen the foundation of the company and have assets for the next rainy day that always comes. If they do this and the foundation is strong then there is more money in the future till for me to ask for more in the next round of negotiations. 

I played the Lotto yesterday for the first time in maybe 6 months. $3.00 Quick Pick. Guess how I did? But playing the Lotto again was my "CHOICE" 
what you don't seem to want to admit is that it is very possible for an airline to be profitable on a sustained basis.

WN has been profitable year after year after year.

WN has faced an enormous amount of volatility in the US economy and managed to profitable.

The difference between DL and the rest of the legacy carriers including AA is that DL has decided they will be profitable on a sustained basis, something no US legacy carrier has done anywhere close to what WN has done.

but just because DL flies across the oceans doesn't mean that they cannot practice the same discipline to remain profitable - just like what WN has done.

AA very well may not be anywhere near as profitable on a sustained basis as DL. The mere fact that DL is spending billions of dollars less on fleet renewal and yet DL is growing faster than AA and DL's costs are going up less says that the notion that fancy new planes are necessary is simply not accurate.

DL quite simply is not going to fly routes which don't make money on a sustained basis when they operate.

UA is just now getting around to making some of the tough decisions that DL has made which involves cutting routes and closing hubs. AA has put its toe in the water with seasonal European cuts but for the most part is replacing that with more flying elsewhere.

Quite frankly, DL is far more confident of its ability to be profitable, its employees believe it, and they are willing to accept the "risk" of higher compensation knowing the bottom could indeed fall out - but with very good mgmt., the company can adapt and the employees don't have to pay the price for mgmt. stupidity which is the way the US legacy carriers have operated.

AA people very well might choose to not want profit sharing but they will not make the same amount of money as their peers at DL who work for a company that has figured out to remove the risk from the business which has cost legacy airline employees in the past. WN is proof that it is possible for employees to watch their compensation grow despite the challenges; DL can do the same whether AA can or not.
 
Another win for APFA ...amendment to the TA ... Just announced this weekend we can now drop down to zero hrs per month and keep all of our benifts. We only need to fly 480hrs in a calendar year!! This is great flexibility!! This TA will pass and is industry leading in it totality!!
and also is not financially viable for the company but AA has too many FAs so they are willing to do it.

instead of doing an early retirement package as DL does which removes employees from the payroll or leaves of absence as UA has done, AA is simply allowing a large pool of part-time employees with full-time benefits.

doing so for any length of time for a large number of employees is not financially sustainable for the company.
 
why would you be glad that AA is overstaffed and is willing to allow employees to obtain benefits while contributing no work?
 
not for every member of a workgroup as AA is purported to be offering to its FAs.

they are overstaffed which is exactly where I said they would be esp. after making the winter seasonal int'l cancellations they are making.

if you think DL has a comparable offer out there, let us know.
 
Is it possible for non-employees to attend the Halloween meet and greet? If it's at a public place they'd have a hard time turning people away. After all it says your "ID" is your ticket, I have both a MA DL and two passports I can bring along.

Josh
 
this is a public message board, Kev. whether I know the group you are talking about is immaterial.

If you can't and won't post what you mean, then my statement stands.
 
No it doesn't.

Your inference that AA is somehow alone in offering benefits for employees not currently working is false. Your alma mater does the very same thing. You already know this, though.
 
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