Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[737823]

I support Unions and the Union movement. The who what and where doesn't matter to me.

Do you not support the AMTs getting their own union and not having other classifications ride on their coat tails?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Do you not support the AMTs getting their own union and not having other classifications ride on their coat tails?

Josh

I support Unions and the Union movement. The who what and where doesn't matter to me.

 

[WeAAsles]

In this report, Robert Borosage explains, “It is not a coincidence that prosperity was widely shared when unions were at the height of their power in the decades after World War II, and that inequality has soared as unions have been weakened.”
Though down to 14 million members, unions remain one of the largest membership groups in the United States. Polls reveal that far more working people would like to form a union than now have one. But the rules that have been rigged against workers – from the rules of the global economy to the trampling of labor laws – have to be changed. Government policy helped strengthen the hand of workers and build the middle class coming out of World War II, and today government must once more become an ally of working people. The effort to make that happen will meet fierce resistance, but the report shows that the first steps have begun.

http://ourfuture.org/report/reviving-strong-unions

 

[700UW]

Not drinking. WeAAsles and 700 have been the most vocal proponents of the IAM-TWU alliance to the AMTs and neither of them carry an A&P ticket.

Josh

And you dont work for an airline, you werent/arent a flight attendant, a pilot, a ramp person, an agent, a res agent nor a mechanic and yet you chime in and are against an alliance that has NOTHING to do with you at all.
 
And the Alliance is not just for mechanics, its for Maintenance, Ramp, Stores and Utility.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Thanks, Meto.

 
it's actually fairly public knowledge.

I would have thought you would have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the labor movement.

after all, you are quick to charge that DL's non-union employees ride the coattails of DL pilots - thus, it is worth your while to be aware of what is going on.

Just shows how insignificant and unrepresentative of actual DL employees that group is. You are AA MIA TWU fleet service and have nothing to do with DL employees. I think 700 is also a member of that group too. So not only do you get in on AMT matters you also butt in on F/As.

Josh

 
700's interest is in procuring union memberships, shoring up the IAM's eroding membership base, and trying to save their multi-employer DB retirement plan.
 

And you are an alleged passenger, yet you butt in on FA, Ramp, CSA  and Mechanics thread.
 
Hypocrite.

 
that is simply priceless for you, who has NEVER worked for DL - have you even been a passenger - to charge that someone else doesn't have the right to speak but you do.

cornfield for you.
 

Wow the little anti union crowd really hit the ground running on here after my post???? Fear?

I'm not commenting in the group page. Don't need to. They're doing just fine.

 
and, again, social networking is far from indicative of what goes in the real world.

The union movement is statistically insignificant.

There is precisely ONE active non-union DL employee who regularly participates on this thread who works in the target group and he is non-union.  Another works in another dept.

Statistically meaningless - and not possibly enough to indicate whether unions will change the decades long non-union tradition among nearly all ground employees and FAs.

I support Unions and the Union movement. The who what and where doesn't matter to me.

good...  then you shouldn't be disappointed since you will find no support at DL.
 

And you dont work for an airline, you werent/arent a flight attendant, a pilot, a ramp person, an agent, a res agent nor a mechanic and yet you chime in and are against an alliance that has NOTHING to do with you at all.
 
And the Alliance is not just for mechanics, its for Maintenance, Ramp, Stores and Utility.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

...anyone that can pay dues....

and this, as you are quick to point out, is the DL forum and this thread has nothing to do with any labor union alliance because absolutely none exists at DL.

Other than the pilots, there are virtually no unions at DL anyway.

 

[Kev3188]

it's actually fairly public knowledge.

I would have thought you would have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in the labor movement.

...And I would've thought you tell when a post is both rhetorical in nature *and* directed at someone else, but here we are...
 

after all, you are quick to charge that DL's non-union employees ride the coattails of DL pilots - thus, it is worth your while to be aware of what is going on.

Remind the board where I've ever trafficked in the "we get what the pilots get" myth. Any post'll do.


 

and, again, social networking is far from indicative of what goes in the real world.

Not necessarily. Either way, ~ 5k people on an FB page is notable. Your former employer certainly thinks so...
 

good... then you shouldn't be disappointed since you will find no support at DL.

Sure he will. Won't even have to look that far...

 

and this, as you are quick to point out, is the DL forum and this thread has nothing to do with any labor union alliance because absolutely none exists at DL.

You sure? Neither ALPA nor PAFCA have no alliances at all? None?
 

Other than the pilots, there are virtually no unions at DL anyway.

Any sliver you can cling to, eh?

 

[WorldTraveler]

you have absolutely stated that DL's non-union employees have benefitted from what the pilots get.

and 5K people means nothing considering that a high number of them aren't even DL employees.

Strip out the non-DL employees and there is not enough activity to prove anything, esp. since the relatively few DL employees represent multiple workgroups.

Why do you think 700 and the weasel try to convince everyone here but that social media someplace else is proof of activity other than to escape admitting that the only real evidence is the fact that DL employees have changed NOTHING at the ballot box or thru official, certifiable channels regarding their union representation status.

You can and clearly like to surround yourself with lots of pro-labor folks who are union supporters but the only people that will change the union status at DL are your DL peers and they aren't interested in numbers large enough to change anything.

 

[Kev3188]

 

you have absolutely stated that DL's non-union employees have benefitted from what the pilots get.

Link to any "we get what the pilots get" posts, please.

and 5K people means nothing considering that a high number of them aren't even DL employees.

Define "high number" please. Actual number would be great. Will settle for a percentage.

Strip out the non-DL employees and there is not enough activity to prove anything...

According to whom? What metrics are we using to measure "anything" with?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the only metric that matters, Kevin, is the number of elections won and the number of votes called.

the NUMBER is ZERO and ZERO.

 

[Kev3188]

Translation: "I got nothing."
 
Oh well, thanks for particpating just the same. Enjoy the day.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Translation: "I got nothing."
 
Oh well, thanks for particpating just the same. Enjoy the day.

I'm not going to dig thru 10K of your posts when the only real number that matters is the number of votes that have been called and elections one.

Social network activity and everything else doesn't matter.

Votes called and won does.

The count is ZERO and ZERO.

and may your day be GREAT as well!

 

[WeAAsles]

I think that a certain AF troll has no clue about the social media phenomenon known as Facebook and how it is influencing people and progressing worldwide changes. The Arab Spring and The Minimum wage movement are direct results of people participating with each other to affect change. Information and ideas are being shared.

This Forum was a precursor to the advancement of FB and although it is viewed still by the more devout of those of us involved in things. The true grassroots movement is on the other medium. 

The change it's bringing about is scaring the hell out of the establishment.

But Kev I have to correct you. That ONE page does not have 5000 members. It only has currently 4960. Please don't be disingenuous in the future. 😉  

 

[WorldTraveler]

the ~5K number came from Kev, not me.

40 people aren't going to make a hill of a beans worth of a difference.

thank you for connecting the goals of the labor movement with political unrest.

It is precisely the inability of the labor movement to constructively discuss key issues and the willingness to burn down the house in the expectation (false but many people believe a lot of falsehoods) that change can come thru violence.

The rules of the free market are different from those that shape political and societal change.

the fact that you and others in the labor movement continually trot out examples of social and political leaders - who absolutely changed the world - while failing to acknowledge that in the US airline industry unions have dozens of strikeouts and no hitters shows why the basic philosophy from which you start leads to failed results.

DL employees have consistently said NO.

Enjoy the parties with the new AA employee union members.

 

[WeAAsles]

If violence is one day what's needed to dictate the pace of change then so be it. Violence is the one thing that those who wear ties fear the most. There are currently worldwide examples that violence is currently going on in Nations where the populace is rising up against social injustices. Many examples from Egypt to Bangladesh, France, Africa and the grumblings are even beginning here in the USA.

There have also been documented accounts of Armies and Police forces laying down their weapons to join with the protestors. It's extremely naive to think that America is above the fray when people's backs are against the wall and they no longer feel like they have anything left to lose.

A huge momentum is growing and maybe some people need to remove their particular set of rose colored glasses before it's to late.

 

[WeAAsles]

Many Scots look at the Britain built by this political elite, they don’t like it and they want out. If, say, northern England was a nation rather than a region, it would surely be bolting for the door by now. Sixty-four per cent of eligible Britons voted against the Conservatives in 2010, but in Scotland they have all but collapsed to fringe party status.
 
To most Scots, living under a Tory-led government seems absurd, like being forced to live under a hostile foreign occupying force. Why do we have to scrabble around for spare cash to counteract cartoonishly unjust policies such as the bedroom tax that attempt to balance Britain’s books at the expense of predominantly poor disabled people, they wonder. Labour, meanwhile, left the Scottish National party ample progressive political turf to seize and claim as its own. On the ballot paper on 18 September, yes seems to read “never live under a Tory government ever again”.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/07/scotland-decides-union-tories