Kev3188
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You really want to split that hair? Is the span from 6/2012 to 1/2015 5 years?
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you two miss the point. surprise, surprise.
why don't instead you figure out when the last raise was before 6/2012 and then you might understand why he said what he said.
Also, the raise on 1/2015 very might well have to "last" well beyond 1/2015.
given that DL and ALPA seem to be nowhere close to an agreement - unless everyone is surprised, there won't be an agreement signed before January which means there will be no raise until at least that agreement is signed.
and it still is beyond laughable that you are telling someone else when they received their pay raise.
why don't instead you figure out when the last raise was before 6/2012 and then you might understand why he said what he said.
Also, the raise on 1/2015 very might well have to "last" well beyond 1/2015.
given that DL and ALPA seem to be nowhere close to an agreement - unless everyone is surprised, there won't be an agreement signed before January which means there will be no raise until at least that agreement is signed.
and it still is beyond laughable that you are telling someone else when they received their pay raise.
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I understand amenable dates, and what that means w/r/t time spans. Doesn't change the fact that no one else will see an increase even close to what the pilots will receive over the same time frame.
I don't like the view out here in the weeds. I'm going back to the discussion. You comin'?
I don't like the view out here in the weeds. I'm going back to the discussion. You comin'?
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I dont compare my salary or pay raises to doctors or lawyers or dentists or ramp workers but to other pilots. How i get payed compared to the person doing the same job is the only thing that concerns me.(Myopic..Your word) I realize that it IS a free market system and how much I am worth to the company does vary much to my displeasure.
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DL just announced an early distribution of profit sharing in a couple weeks that will amount to the first 5% of what DL employees would have gotten if they had to wait for profit sharing for all of 2014 which will be distributed on Valentine's Day 2015.
DL also said that employees will receive pay raises in April, about 45 days after receiving the balance of their 2014 profit sharing.
DL also said that employees will receive pay raises in April, about 45 days after receiving the balance of their 2014 profit sharing.
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Good news. We've certainly earned it.
And, hey; nothing like throwing some cash around to distract people... Hope there's not a large shoe dropping on the other side of this...
P.S. For any actual DL employees reading this: You won't be able to shunt anymore of this check into your 401k than normal. You'll still be able to in Feb., though...
And, hey; nothing like throwing some cash around to distract people... Hope there's not a large shoe dropping on the other side of this...
P.S. For any actual DL employees reading this: You won't be able to shunt anymore of this check into your 401k than normal. You'll still be able to in Feb., though...
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your p.s. is interesting.
and the likely reason is because DL is far enough into the quarter to know that profit sharing will be far larger than it was last year (that was expected) so dividing it up in 2 pieces helps to not only reduce taxes but also increase the "fun factor" by getting some fall spending money.
and, with all due respect to Air France employees, I am certain that their pilots have done wonders to help DL employee profit sharing. Since the strike looks like it will go into next week, 2 extra weeks of flat out full aircraft over much of DL's network over the Atlantic can't help but be good news for DL employees. Given that AF is cancelling only one day or two in advance, the extra passengers are coming at very little risk of displacing DL revenue and very little cost since the flights are going to operate anyway.
and the likely reason is because DL is far enough into the quarter to know that profit sharing will be far larger than it was last year (that was expected) so dividing it up in 2 pieces helps to not only reduce taxes but also increase the "fun factor" by getting some fall spending money.
and, with all due respect to Air France employees, I am certain that their pilots have done wonders to help DL employee profit sharing. Since the strike looks like it will go into next week, 2 extra weeks of flat out full aircraft over much of DL's network over the Atlantic can't help but be good news for DL employees. Given that AF is cancelling only one day or two in advance, the extra passengers are coming at very little risk of displacing DL revenue and very little cost since the flights are going to operate anyway.
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...Or that IFS is close to filing for an election...
Just a theory.
Was told that even with this split, the 2/14 check(s) will still likely be larger than last year's. That's anecdotal, though.
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based on what DL has put in already, the value should easily exceed 10% and probably be closer to 12% so 5% is indeed only half or less of what you should receive. If the percent in Feb 2015 will be larger than last year's, then DL is planning to report some serious profits and you absolutely will benefit, as you well should.
I'm not sure I would plan on at least 8% more in Feb 2015 but it should be 5% or more.
Given that the 3rd quarter hasn't closed, DL couldn't have legally recorded profit sharing for the quarter yet so they I would think they can't paying profit sharing for a quarter for which they haven't closed.
Thus, you still have the amount of profit sharing for the 3rd quarter (which ends next week) and the 4th quarter... and the chances are very high that those values will be above 5% of your salary.
DL and its people are running an outstanding airline, the fundamentals of the industry are strong, and DL's initiatives are delivering results that will further differentiate DL from other airlines.
Celebrate the good news, Kev, and congrats to you and your colleagues.
Here's hoping the pilots will be able to settle for a good contract as well and DL will be plunking down a check on someone's desk at Airbus or Boeing (maybe both) in the next weeks.
I'm not sure I would plan on at least 8% more in Feb 2015 but it should be 5% or more.
Given that the 3rd quarter hasn't closed, DL couldn't have legally recorded profit sharing for the quarter yet so they I would think they can't paying profit sharing for a quarter for which they haven't closed.
Thus, you still have the amount of profit sharing for the 3rd quarter (which ends next week) and the 4th quarter... and the chances are very high that those values will be above 5% of your salary.
DL and its people are running an outstanding airline, the fundamentals of the industry are strong, and DL's initiatives are delivering results that will further differentiate DL from other airlines.
Celebrate the good news, Kev, and congrats to you and your colleagues.
Here's hoping the pilots will be able to settle for a good contract as well and DL will be plunking down a check on someone's desk at Airbus or Boeing (maybe both) in the next weeks.
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did you just read that DL employees are getting at best only half of their profit sharing plus getting a raise.. so they are looking at a total of at least 14% over the next few months for a topped out employee. and it could be a lot closer to 20%.
and if Kev is right (and he very well may be) then the value could be DOUBLE what the IAM negotiated.
No, 700, what DL employees will be receiving doesn't equal what the IAM negotiated - IT VASTLY EXCEEDS IT.
and the IAM didn't negotiate 9% plus raises year after year. DL employees have been and will be receiving far more than the IAM managed to negotiate.
it's why DL employees just vote no for unions and yes to more savings and investments in the things that matter to themselves and their families.
and if Kev is right (and he very well may be) then the value could be DOUBLE what the IAM negotiated.
No, 700, what DL employees will be receiving doesn't equal what the IAM negotiated - IT VASTLY EXCEEDS IT.
and the IAM didn't negotiate 9% plus raises year after year. DL employees have been and will be receiving far more than the IAM managed to negotiate.
it's why DL employees just vote no for unions and yes to more savings and investments in the things that matter to themselves and their families.
Profit Sharing has nothing to do with a raise.
Did I ask or mention profit sharing in my post?
No.
I asked about the raise that they will be getting, thats all.
Typical of you, change the subject, deflect the topic when you cant answer or it doesnt portray DL in a good light.
So can anyone answer is the raise more than the 12.53% that US Fleet negotiated this year in their new CBA?
Or will it be more than next year's parity review?
Are you using the same math that you said that from 6/12 to 1/15 is five years?
DL's non-union ACS got either a 2% or 3% raise last year, and this year.
So go with 6% in two years, is not greater than 12.53% that US Fleet negotiated this year, now does it?
Lets see how you deflect that!
Did I ask or mention profit sharing in my post?
No.
I asked about the raise that they will be getting, thats all.
Typical of you, change the subject, deflect the topic when you cant answer or it doesnt portray DL in a good light.
So can anyone answer is the raise more than the 12.53% that US Fleet negotiated this year in their new CBA?
Or will it be more than next year's parity review?
Are you using the same math that you said that from 6/12 to 1/15 is five years?
DL's non-union ACS got either a 2% or 3% raise last year, and this year.
So go with 6% in two years, is not greater than 12.53% that US Fleet negotiated this year, now does it?
Lets see how you deflect that!
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yes they do have to do with each other.
they are money.
you don't happen to like profit sharing because the IAM signed it away.
DL and WN people love it because their companies pass it out in spades (with spades).
DL employees have received far larger compensation increases than their peers at other airlines.
Feel free to tell us that they aren't the same thing but DL people see increased dollars in the bank account and at the same time absolutely no reason to join a union when they can get more money than with a union.
maybe with the next contract a half decade from now, the IAM can beat DL.
or not.
they are money.
you don't happen to like profit sharing because the IAM signed it away.
DL and WN people love it because their companies pass it out in spades (with spades).
DL employees have received far larger compensation increases than their peers at other airlines.
Feel free to tell us that they aren't the same thing but DL people see increased dollars in the bank account and at the same time absolutely no reason to join a union when they can get more money than with a union.
maybe with the next contract a half decade from now, the IAM can beat DL.
or not.
No they dont, are you that obtuse?
Profit sharing is not a raise nor an increase in wages.
Its a one time payout, or in this next case twice.
And typical you cant answer and it shows the US Fleet got a bigger raise this year than DL's ACS have received in the past four years combined.
And once again, did I ask about profit sharing?
Nope I asked about the raise(s).
See I knew you wouldnt answer and would change it to profit sharing, when I specifically and clearly only asked about the raise.
Profit sharing is not a raise nor an increase in wages.
Its a one time payout, or in this next case twice.
And typical you cant answer and it shows the US Fleet got a bigger raise this year than DL's ACS have received in the past four years combined.
And once again, did I ask about profit sharing?
Nope I asked about the raise(s).
See I knew you wouldnt answer and would change it to profit sharing, when I specifically and clearly only asked about the raise.
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