Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Sorry southwind I disagree with you in regards to my grievance While every union has their ups and their downs, mgmt. at companies like DL will continue to do as they please to employees whereas in unions mgmt. must abide by contracts when mgmt. fails to do so grievances are filed. If I have to wait another yr or 2 or more for arb then so be it bec I refuse to drop my case. But again bec DL is non union mgmt. is free to do as they see fit.
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Kev.. Off topic but just saw the first of the new adds... All about baggage and shows mostly ramp workers .Shows you guys in a good light under some bad conditions....you guys do do a great job in my opinion...Must be propaganda or something sinister ...or could just show one of DL s strong points.
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Whoooooaaaaaaaaa I don't think i would go barking up that tree if I were the IAM. Delta could be doing a lot worse than it is doing with the health care changes.700UW said:
If the IAM wants to point fingers then they need to aim them away from Atlanta and point them right at Washington DC. (and at the IAM, Obama is there boy....)
whhhhoooooaaaaaaa tiger. WN still makes more than Delta employees in every frontline group that I know of.WorldTraveler said:
Going to take a lot more than 4% to get over that hump.
Thats how they basically always do it. Get a raise in the summer, announce a raise in the fall.WeAAsles said:
raise is a raise.700UW said:The raise works out to $83 a month for a topped out FA.
And this time it didn't come from cutting profit sharing. So I will take it and walk away happy.
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except take home pay hasn't gone down and the IAM is flat out wrong - or as you love to say - THEY ARE LYING.
ANY DL employee knows their pay today is higher than it was at the time of the merger - so when unions make such bold faced lies, it isn't hard for any DL employee to see it.
What is clear with the HUGE onslaught of other airline employees and union activists on the DL forum today is that they are ABSOLUTEY LIVID that DL has yet once again given its people what they want and did it without a union.
AA FAs had wet themselves with glee that they were getting industry best pay raises and with a stroke of a pen and without negotiations, DL employees have completely bested their peers not just at AA but also UA.
Unless the APFA managed to get profit sharing included in their TA, DL employees far will blow them out of the water in compensation increases over the next year.
DL employees are EASILY looking at a combined profit sharing and pay raise that totals 15% - and likely more than that
AA/US unions thought they were going home with the bank with raises that will happen ONE TIME in the life of the contract.
And arguing that DL is being desperate by announcing a pay raise 6 months in advance is so incredibly hypocritical coming from union activists who argue for the "security" of pay raises that are promised YEARS in advance - and can be wiped out with the stroke of a pen in bankruptcy. ANY airline employee knows how easily that took place so there is no doubt that the "security" of a contract is no security at all.
This is a bad day for airline union activists. Very bad day.
yes, Dawg, there isn't a single DL employee who is on here complaining about the pay raise. The clamor is coming from union activists OUTSIDE of DL.
and I didn't say that DL employees are making more than WN employees but surely even you have noticed that they are getting absolutely nowhere in their attempts to get contracts with even the smallest pay raises while their peers at DL are seeing their compensation increase on an annual basis by double digit amounts.
The desperate attempts they make to discredit the joy DL employees are experiencing today shows how disconnected the union movement is from the interests of DL employees who know better than to vote for further union representation.
ANY DL employee knows their pay today is higher than it was at the time of the merger - so when unions make such bold faced lies, it isn't hard for any DL employee to see it.
What is clear with the HUGE onslaught of other airline employees and union activists on the DL forum today is that they are ABSOLUTEY LIVID that DL has yet once again given its people what they want and did it without a union.
AA FAs had wet themselves with glee that they were getting industry best pay raises and with a stroke of a pen and without negotiations, DL employees have completely bested their peers not just at AA but also UA.
Unless the APFA managed to get profit sharing included in their TA, DL employees far will blow them out of the water in compensation increases over the next year.
DL employees are EASILY looking at a combined profit sharing and pay raise that totals 15% - and likely more than that
AA/US unions thought they were going home with the bank with raises that will happen ONE TIME in the life of the contract.
And arguing that DL is being desperate by announcing a pay raise 6 months in advance is so incredibly hypocritical coming from union activists who argue for the "security" of pay raises that are promised YEARS in advance - and can be wiped out with the stroke of a pen in bankruptcy. ANY airline employee knows how easily that took place so there is no doubt that the "security" of a contract is no security at all.
This is a bad day for airline union activists. Very bad day.
yes, Dawg, there isn't a single DL employee who is on here complaining about the pay raise. The clamor is coming from union activists OUTSIDE of DL.
and I didn't say that DL employees are making more than WN employees but surely even you have noticed that they are getting absolutely nowhere in their attempts to get contracts with even the smallest pay raises while their peers at DL are seeing their compensation increase on an annual basis by double digit amounts.
The desperate attempts they make to discredit the joy DL employees are experiencing today shows how disconnected the union movement is from the interests of DL employees who know better than to vote for further union representation.
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health care costs have risen across the board thanks to ObamaCare.
for you to think that airlines or any employers are absorbing those increased costs is the epitome of naivety.
those increased health care costs come out of other parts of your compensation package.
for you to think that airlines or any employers are absorbing those increased costs is the epitome of naivety.
those increased health care costs come out of other parts of your compensation package.
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WT, you state there isn't one delta emp. complainging , that's a lie !! Guess you have not been on FB where they use their actual names and are identify as DL employees and many have figured out the raise won't cover their rise in their ins. premiums!!!! You have NO idea what AA/US will get , they have provisions with delta in it!! The company must abide by that. Again you make false statements and are not to be trusted!!
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no, I haven't been on facebook but I know full well that a 3 or 4% pay raise will absolutely cover ANY health care costs.
To somehow think that someone's health care costs are going to increase by thousands of dollars per year is nothing but a lie.
And unless you have verified that those names belong to actual DL employees, you don't know if they are real or not.
and you are naïve if you don't think that DL doesn't know exactly what AA signed with its unions.
even if 700 didn't reproduce Mr. Anderson's letter, you have access to Deltanet and can read what was sad about pay raises and medical premium insurances.
read the letter... it is on the previous page of this thread.
Even for a family, the additional cost of health care for a family is less than $30/month... for a single it could be less than $5 depending on the health plan the employee chooses.
to argue that the raise is wiped out by the increase in health care costs is nothing but a bold faced lie - or some people are REALLY bad at math.
In order for a $30/month increase in health care costs to be larger than the cost of the pay increase (not even including profit sharing), an employee would have to bring home only $750 per month - less than minimum wage.
and I can absolutely assure you that AA employees are seeing increased health care costs or reduced coverage.
they took a big hit on increased costs - far larger than DL employees took - as part of their BK contracts.
AA IS NOT reversing those changes and in fact will only accelerate them.
argue all you want, but health care costs are real costs that airlines buy.
they are NOT going to absorb those costs and they aren't going up less at AA or Bank of America than they are at DL.
To somehow think that someone's health care costs are going to increase by thousands of dollars per year is nothing but a lie.
And unless you have verified that those names belong to actual DL employees, you don't know if they are real or not.
and you are naïve if you don't think that DL doesn't know exactly what AA signed with its unions.
even if 700 didn't reproduce Mr. Anderson's letter, you have access to Deltanet and can read what was sad about pay raises and medical premium insurances.
read the letter... it is on the previous page of this thread.
Even for a family, the additional cost of health care for a family is less than $30/month... for a single it could be less than $5 depending on the health plan the employee chooses.
to argue that the raise is wiped out by the increase in health care costs is nothing but a bold faced lie - or some people are REALLY bad at math.
In order for a $30/month increase in health care costs to be larger than the cost of the pay increase (not even including profit sharing), an employee would have to bring home only $750 per month - less than minimum wage.
and I can absolutely assure you that AA employees are seeing increased health care costs or reduced coverage.
they took a big hit on increased costs - far larger than DL employees took - as part of their BK contracts.
AA IS NOT reversing those changes and in fact will only accelerate them.
argue all you want, but health care costs are real costs that airlines buy.
they are NOT going to absorb those costs and they aren't going up less at AA or Bank of America than they are at DL.
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