Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

Why does Lucia Campos keep posting these annoying dog voice videos-especially the latest one about pie.

Josh

Why not join the page & ask her yourself?

 

[737823]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2MnOBDg0kQ
 
"Initially I signed the IAM card because someone gave me one.  All I knew was we needed a union on the property"
 
-Deborah Ruehl, SEA-based
 
I wonder what other legally binding documents she signs simply because someone gave her one.  Kev & 700 do you guys sign anything people hand you simply because it was given to you? It seems the people running your campaign expect people to do this.
 
Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Join the page & ask her directly.

 

[737823]

Kev you tell me, do you sign legally binding documents simply because someone gave them to you?
 
Josh

 

[Kev3188]

What do you think?

As for this lady, why not just join the page & ask? Skulking around is something "union avoidance" shadowmen do, not moneychangers claiming to merely be "fans of the industry."

 

[737823]

I told you I got banned from the page.  Surely if you are active in this campaign you must know Debbie and Lucia.
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

funny that all of the talk on THIS forum about what goes on on THAT forum overlooks the fact that there is NO active DL FA involvement on this site that is pro-union.

All of the supposed grassroots interest in unionization comes from a couple (at best) rampers and a mechanic.

The rest of the noise is from outside of DL.

if the interest was half as strong as the union cheerleaderkids would like us to believe, there would have been votes called years ago.

there haven't been.

and, no, Kev, it isn't "know you're place" but rather "get the facts straight before trying to argue something"

I didn't make the statement that seasonal flying is contrary to the DL ALPA contract because it isn't. For DL to fly less than 50% of the ASMs/ASKs or whatever unit is used, IS.

Even before the AF strike, DL could have been on track to have cured the imbalance by virtue of its increased flying.

The AF strike undoubtedly did wonders to help DL out.

 

[Kev3188]

I told you I got banned from the page.  Surely if you are active in this campaign you must know Debbie and Lucia.
 
Josh

Oh right, right... 🙄

Good news: WT has basically stated it's a free for all over there, so you should have no problem getting back on.

 

[Kev3188]

funny that all of the talk on THIS forum about what goes on on THAT forum overlooks the fact that there is NO active DL FA involvement on this site that is pro-union.

Back to thinking this site is a barometer again, eh? Ok...

and, no, Kev, it isn't "know you're place"

Sure it was.

but rather "get the facts straight before trying to argue something"

Sage advice. When can we expect to see you follow it?

 

[WorldTraveler]

it's certainly not all DL employees, that is for sure.

the loudest voices are often NOT DL employees.

sounds familiar to exactly what we have here.

and the score is still ZERO and ZERO.

not only is THAT the barometer but it is a score I and you both know well. I just happen to acknowledge it. You don't.

I can absolutely assure you that I know what DL is required to do re. the pilot contract and JVs. Dawg does too at heart but mistake on a minor point (seasonal flying) and wants to keep harping on it instead of walking away and admitting that he and I both know that DL has to fix the AF-KL imbalance. I happen to assert DL is either close to doing it or has done it as a result of DL's own increased capacity and the AF strike. The JV got out of balance because of the addition of AZ to the JV and by the fact that AF has not practiced the same restraint as DL has in managing capacity. The strike took half or more of their TATL capacity out of service for two weeks. It doesn't take high level math to calculate the effect of removing half the flights from one of two sides of an agreemtn for half a month.

and again, why are you or dawg worried about since ALPA is a union and they are supposed to require DL to perform? is the union not as strong as you think (as in many situations) or is it just something for you and he to harp on when we knew all along that DL would fix it or have to pay.

The market is suitable for adding capacity

 

[southwind]

You're good at jumping to conclusions; you tell us.

You were in a union, you tell us........wait, my bad, the IAM were the one's "Crossing" the picket line, at NW.
 
Guess it's all cool, as long as it's a union, screwing over another union.

 

[topDawg]

whether it is ASMs or ASKs, the measurement is the same, dawg.

so you can't read then. Okay. :blink: 

I will try this again, read slow and keep up. The measurement, I believe is called ASKs (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH AVAILABLE SEAT KILOMETERS) takes into account things such as number of flights, capacity on the airplanes, ASMs, even cargo. It is not a simple formula like ASMs are.

You made a statement about seasonal flying which was incorrect and you are trying to do everything but admit you are wrong.

for someone who clearly doesn't have the smallest clue on how the DALPA agreement works, you are talking an awful lot.

The issue is the pilots, they have a union, so why are you so afraid the company is going to screw them?

because the company is doing so? They are very far out of balance with the JV and just keep loading more cuts.

example, ATL-ZRH now is not only going to get cut in the winter, but its March start date is all the way moved back to the back half of June. The good thing is that just tosses the JV into more out of balance and will makes things even easier for the arbitrator.
 

and I worked for the same people who are still allowing DL to post record profits

maybe you leaving is what caused the record porifts......

as much as you would like to think otherwise, I know DL's network at 2 a.m. in my sleep better than you will know if you had a whole week to look at or make statements about it.

whatever you say. You sure are wrong more than anyone who I would think is so smart.
 
Still waiting on WN to gets the Delta 73Ws and that big Latin push out of MIA. 

You're a mechanic. there does seem to be a trend on this board of mechanics at several airlines thinking they know it all.

I am a mechanic.....you don't even work at an airline. 

 

You fix planes and are no more aware of what goes in network than the pilots or anyone else does outside of - guess, what network.

but the guy who hasn't been at delta in years and can't even figure out a simple contract between the pilots and the company does know more?

riiiiiight.  🙄  🙄  🙄  🙄  🙄

 

[robbedagain]

Great points dawg! Of course he cant grasp it....

 

[BABABOOY]

actually wasn't the year round ATL-ZRH flight moved to JFK making JFK year round? now ATL is  seasonal.   no net gain or net loss .. JFK was previously June-Sep  

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet DL has increased total TATL capacity by 8% in the last month. DL's TATL network, already the largest among US carriers, is larger than it was a year ago.

Since it is measured each month, the size going forward will be known.

And, dawg, you can argue terms which you don't even know, but the pilot contract is based on butts in seats flown across the Atlantic. It is intended to take into account the fact that AF uses larger aircraft and that DL's largest hubs are in the eastern US.

Just admit you screwed up by making a wildly inaccurate statement that seasonal flying is against the contract.

It is not.

What is against the contract is if DL pulls its flying down by a larger percent than AF/KL/AZ do and there is no offset somewhere else in the near.

You also can't explain why you need to worry about it if DALPA is so good at protecting jobs and a union is what the rest of the employees need.

If DALPA can't get it done for the DL pilots, then it ain't happening for anyone

And while you try to whip the issue into a frenzy, you still can't prove that DL's capacity adds for the fall combined with the AF strike didn't go a very long way to fix the imbalance, if not change the equation in DL's direction.