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southwind said:
Everything stayed the same, no complaints here.
Cool. What plan do you have now, and which one did you take for 2015? How much did your deductible and/or out-of-pocket max change?
 

 
And you thought BaRack was telling the truth, that your healthcare would not be affected..........sorry you drank the koolaide!
I'm glucose intolerant.

I'm not sure why you still cling to the idea that every progressive feels Obama is untouchable. FWIW, the second single-payer was off the table, I was done...
 
Let us know when you have proof that union thuggery and intimidation is not taking place at DL!
You're not very good at trying to flip things. Keep practicing, though.
 
 
WorldTraveler said:
now, if you would let Kev speak, I am quite certain there is a point under which the company can verify at some point in the election process those who either provided cards or voted.

I'm not talking about class or craft.

I'm talking about verifying who is actually an employee in the class and who has the right to vote in the election. It is in this process that the company has the right to pull out former employees and cards that were submitted by uh, the non-DL employees who seem to be perpetually committed to injecting themselves in DL's internal affairs.

and, you did confirm that the company has no idea who has submitted cards at this point.
A company never knows who has signed a card nor how one has voted.
 
 

 
737823 said:
WT, by law employers release information about employees-rosters and even personal information like addresses. However there are steps that can be taken and within the realm of the laws to hinder the process and make it difficult for a union organizer. For example they could provide incomplete addresses (omitting apartment/unit numbers) or exclude information on department or work location to make it difficult to track the employee down.

Josh
True.

SO when you go back onto WCDFA, instead of lurking, how 'bout sharing this? Better yet, instead of standing in the shadows watching the NoWay'ers go berserk, post it there as well...
 
WorldTraveler said:
exactly... which is precisely why employers have better access to their own employees than do union organizers.

since Kev isn't answering, can you tell me the process that the NMB allows companies to use to verify those who send cards or who vote?
Good question I'm honestly not sure.

Josh
 
737823 said:
Good question I'm honestly not sure.
Josh
You are not really interested in the correct answer because it does not fit you narrative. It took about five minutes to cut/paste the information below from the NMB:

3.5 Confidentiality of Authorizations
Authorizations will be handled only by NMB representatives. The NMB keeps all authorizations confidential. This includes the names of individuals who have signed authorizations and the number of authorizations submitted. The carrier or opposing party or parties should not be privy to the number or percentage of authorizations furnished.

3.6 Check of Alphabetized Authorizations
The Investigator compares the list of potential eligible voters with the names of the employees who signed authorizations to determine if a sufficient percentage of authorizations has been submitted to require checking the validity of the authorizations. If there are insufficient authorizations submitted, the Investigator may, in his/her discretion, allow adjustments to the list prior to checking the validity of the authorizations. If the showing of interest requirement will not be met, the Investigator should allow the parties to review the eligibility list before making the required recommendation to the General Counsel concerning the showing of interest.

18. Q: Does the NMB provide home addresses to organizations in representation campaigns?

A: The NMB does not provide home addresses to organizations in representation elections. In extraordinary circumstances, where the NMB determines that due to prior interference with the laboratory conditions by the carrier or voter confusion, the NMB may provide the home addresses of eligible voters to the organization.

6. Q: What is the mandatory format for the Carriers List of Potential Eligible Voters?

A: The Carrier must deliver to the Boards Office of Legal Affairs by 10 a.m., ET, on the date specified in the docketing letter, three copies of an alphabetized list of potential eligible voters and a copy of the alphabetized list on a diskette or CD as a Microsoft Excel file. The format for the List of Potential Eligible voters provided below must be followed.

Specifically, the format of the List of Potential Eligible Voters must be prepared in five columns or fields exactly as shown in the sample format in the docketing letter (columns A, B, C, D, E, only). There must not be any other information or data in the file, diskette, or CD, except as displayed in the five columns or fields on the sample format. The data in the Microsoft Excel file is contained in cells. The column headers, also known as field headers, must appear in the first row of cells only. Therefore, the first row is for column headings only, and all subsequent lines contain only voter information. The Carrier must not include any hidden columns or fields in the Microsoft Excel file. Also note that the employee middle initial appears with the first name. There is no separate column or field for the middle initial. In addition, no other data should appear above the column headings.

The mandatory Microsoft Excel format can be downloaded at (Download Microsoft Excel Format). Carrier representatives should contact the NMB Elections Administrator at 202-692- 5040, if they have any questions about the correct format for the list of potential eligible voters.

http://www.nmb.gov/services/representation/frequently-asked-questions-representation/

http://www.nmb.gov/documents/representation/representation-manual.pdf
 
Kev and 700 looks like ZW is exiting the ground handling business. So who will be the IAMs new preferred outsourcing partner? They killed all those UA stations expecting ZW to take over and maintain dues.

Josh
 
ZW has been winding down that side of the house for awhile.

Other than on A.net, where'd you see that they're exiting completely? I'd like to check it out for myself.

FWIW, they're own site still shows ground positions available.

If true, it'd be a shame; I know you can't see past the IAM logo, but they're some pretty senior people there...
 
thanks Q for posting the exact rules and procedures.

it does show that DL has no way of knowing who voted or who signed a card, which is what I expected but it clarifies that the process of rooting out and verifying who are employees is done by the NMB.

feel free to post the rules but DL and every other company has the right to communicate with its employees regarding any issue including the merits of being unionized or not.
 
Josh ur not an active airline or union member either but i know a lot of folks at dl and in touch w them daily basis wt the company can and will do everything to stop the employees going union the tatics dl is doing is right along the lines that EN did before the CWA got in.
 
robbedagain said:
Company may not knw who specifically files cards but u can bet ur delta tails they do intimidation crap to all employees
And union intimidation never happens.
 
http://www.nrtw.org/free-tagging/union-intimidation
http://www.unionfacts.com/article/crime-and-corruption/examples-of-union-threats-violence-and-intimidation/
http://www.redstate.com/2014/02/19/union-intimidation-continues-volkswagens-chattanooga-plant/
 
Need I go on?
737823 said:
700 why does the IAM harass employees and show up in the break rooms? When the IAM does it it's called providing information, when DL engages in the same it's harassment and intimidation right? DL should not allow the IAM to come in and take over without a fight.

Josh
+100
 
Kev3188 said:
Cool. What plan do you have now, and which one did you take for 2015? How much did your deductible and/or out-of-pocket max change?
 

 


 

 

 
The same I've always had, Gold HRA (One of BaRacks Cadillac plans)
Only thing that changed was +$13.00 per month out of paycheck.
 
robbedagain said:
Josh ur not an active airline or union member either but i know a lot of folks at dl and in touch w them daily basis wt the company can and will do everything to stop the employees going union the tatics dl is doing is right along the lines that EN did before the CWA got in.
And once the CWA got in the stations were closed imagine that:

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54266-piedmontcwa-vs-air-wisconsiniam-on-ground-handing-piedmont-closes-three-stations/

Same thing for the unorganized sCO employees they joined the IAM and their cities got outsourced. People worked 20+ years without a union join the IAM and lose their jobs. Unreal.

Josh
 
Again thats the past. This is 2014 n moving fwd.

Southwind i knw it happens in union but it happens in the mgmt ive been there live it etc dl is not innocent either
 
robbedagain said:
Again thats the past. This is 2014 n moving fwd.

Southwind i knw it happens in union but it happens in the mgmt ive been there live it etc dl is not innocent either
Ok so no more brining up L7.5, CVG cuts, TPA hangar closing, DFW hub closing.

700 can't justify concessions with bankruptcy either.

Josh
 
737823 said:
Ok so no more brining up L7.5, CVG cuts, TPA hangar closing, DFW hub closing.
700 can't justify concessions with bankruptcy either.
Josh
You don't own the boards nor do you make the rules and I will post what I want when I want and you don't matter. You claim you are just a passenger and if you are then you need to seek some help as you are anti-worker and anti-union.
 
737823 said:
Is this sad?
What's sad (but not surprising) is how fast you dodged Q's point, and quickly switched to something unrelated to the card drives here at DL...
 
 
southwind said:
Yes, actually.

And when you do, make sure to include as much info as you can about Peter List- you know, the guy that owns those sites- and how just how much he profits from generating this sort of content. While you're at it, try to find a neutral news outlet to draw from. Police reports, etc. would be a good start.

You didn't really think they were unbiased news sites, did you?



 
The same I've always had, Gold HRA (One of BaRacks Cadillac plans)
Only thing that changed was +$13.00 per month out of paycheck.
You sure 'bout that? You did read both the highlight sheets and all the way through the SPD, right?

BTW, you watch that video yet? You can thank me later.
 
700UW said:
You don't own the boards nor do you make the rules and I will post what I want when I want and you don't matter. You claim you are just a passenger and if you are then you need to seek some help as you are anti-worker and anti-union.
Well Robbed said we can't discuss the past. So if there is no more discussion of IAM sellouts, TWA seniority, UA agreement, 08 fleet agreement, then no more bankruptcy excuses either.

No time like the present. But you want to discuss the past when it suits your agenda and have it left untouched when it doesn't.

Josh
 
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