Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

So Josh, come clean.
 
You are way too involved to be an outsider and I am not the only one who thinks that way.
 
Come clean finally.
 
A passenger just doesnt go to the DOL webpage and search LM2s for people who post on the board.

 

[700UW]

 

[robbedagain]

WT  even if DL folks are makin posts  they could be sending it to folks such as 700 and or the IAM for posting etc     
 
Kev  Should the FAs vote in the next 4 months  do you think ACS wld be voting within a short short time frame after the FAs  or may be b4 them?

 

[WorldTraveler]

so why are the DL employees OUTSOURCING their union drive?

what hypocrisy to complain about DL outsourcing and then not have the gonads to do it themselves.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,
no, I wasn't aware that DL employees were creating these little e-posters. where else are they posted?

You just can't help it, can you?

Where else are they? Really?

Here's a hint: There's a website address right on the bottom of every flyer. 

Not enough? Then get thee over to Facebook; you can find 'em there, too. "Josh" can help you.

Not a fan? How 'bout Twitter, then?

Not so much? How 'bout you stop by one of the visibility tables on your trips through ATL and get a hardcopy? You are still going into the employee areas to get the pulse of the masses, aren't you?
 

still begs the question as to why an IAM activist has to post them and not DL employees.

Only to you.
 

 

[Kev3188]

WT  even if DL folks are makin posts  they could be sending it to folks such as 700 and or the IAM for posting etc     
 
Kev  Should the FAs vote in the next 4 months  do you think ACS wld be voting within a short short time frame after the FAs  or may be b4 them?

 
I think the F/A's will file first.
 

so why are the DL employees OUTSOURCING their union drive?

what hypocrisy to complain about DL outsourcing and then not have the gonads to do it themselves.

 
 
They're not, but you already know that.
 
Stop playing coy, it doesn't suit you.

 

[topDawg]

no, I have presented the data but you refuse to acknowledge it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

uh no. You post small bits of data. 
 
How about that AA v DL FA TA breakdown? How about a comparison of work rules between AA mechanics and Delta mechanics? How about an outsourcing comparison (what work is sent out for each airline)? How about that dept. by dept. break down to show who is overstaffed? 
 
See those are all things that matter. All you do is yell and scream about one data point, profit sharing. You do that because you really have no idea or an clue to the stuff above. 
 

but the bigger story is that YOUR coworkers don't want a union. I don't vote. Your coworkers do and they aren't interested.

few things on this. 
 
1) most importantly, as I have told you 87405738457839578935737 times, just because you want to see the company change what it does doesn't mean you want a union. I want a higher 401K contribution, much less outsourcing, 6th week of vacation (duck) and a few other changes. I also do not want to vote in a union (at least not right now). Do you understand? 
 
2) of the two groups that are voting the last vote was less than 60/40 for both work groups. So yes it was a no vote, but Delta is constantly having union votes on the ramp and with the FAs because of a small minority. The margin of no to yes votes isn't getting smaller with every vote because of a small minority. Delta has people who are FAs and ACs that want a union, a good bit of them at that. So yes, I have coworkers who are interested. 
 

the fact that you have specifically noted that DL mechanics recognize that increased productivity and legacy carrier pay is a formula that creates jobs for DL mechanics is undoubtedly exactly why they don't want a union.

 I don't think i really said it "creates" jobs. I believe I said Don slowly but surely bringing in work on both sides of the fence is helpful in keeping a union out. Delta's spin machine and mis-information from genius like you also do the part. 
 
But this isn't about TechOps. TechOps has a big majority of people who don't want a union, right now. Clearly the FAs and ACS isn't in the same boat. 
 

Good to hear. Any time you want to start treating everyone here-and the ACS/IFS workgroups- as such would be great.


You make it sound like I need to confess to some sort of sin. I already told you it doesn't matter to me because I don't care. If he was an organizer, more power to him. It's hard, thankless work.

Still waiting to see any sort of evidence that he's an active part of the campaigns at DL. Anything less should be seen merely as an attempt to muddy the waters.

 
which is all WT is trying to do. Why? I don't know. The only person on this forum that is going to be a yes vote (out of the two people on here that this has an effect on) is you. Clearly you don't care so why a big deal is being made about this I do not know. 

and it is a boldfaced lie to argue that you have nothing to do with the DL campaign. You INCESSANTLY post IAM created recruiting materials on this website at the same time that you are being paid by the IAM to recruit at another airline.

ugh. Do you ever come to a point or nah?
 

I am not against 700 acting as he has... he just needs to acknowledge that he has been paid to organize for the IAM and you need to acknowledge that fact is absolutely relevant to DL employees - no less relevant than the fact that DL hires F&H.

700 has posted at least 800 times that he worked the raid. What more do you want the man to say? 
 
your lack of reading and comprehension skills doesn't mean that the rest of us need to see him post it 600 times times. You don't have a clue what your talking about or what he does/did for the IAM. Now your going to continue to post the same stupid crap over and over again to try to cover that little fact up.  
 

Don't have an agenda other than seeing organized labor continue to get destroyed in the airline industry and across the private and public sector.

Josh

and to tell everyone constant lies about who/what you are?
 

if they are DL employee produced, then why don't the DL employees post them?

Who do you expect to post them? Kev is about it around here for anyone who has anything to do with it (and wants a union). 
 
I'm not posting IAM stuff about FAs or the ramp. Southwind wouldn't be expected to do it. etc. etc. 
 
Not like this forum has a bunch of Delta guys(and gals) here.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and that is precisely the point....
if the unionization effort actually mattered, there WOULD BE DL employees besides Kevin who would be here trying to push a union agenda.

there are no union-supporting FAs that regularly frequent this board.

why is that? and why don't the supposedly thousands of people who have signed cards engage in the process?

because there simply are very few DL employees who really want a union... they want higher pay and are willing to threaten the company with a union but they aren't willing to vote in a union or work to make one happen.

and we all would like more pay and benefits... but the vast majority of people in life recognize that there are budgets to what one gets in life.

DL employees understand that they aren't going to get paid vastly more than their peers at other airlines including those whose mgmt. has convinced their union leaders - against the will of many members - that profit sharing doesn't matter.

People are virtually tripping over themselves to get to a company that provides health care coverage.
there simply is not going to be the money for other benefits and raises when the county spends so much on health care - and that is true across the country.

to try to frame it as a DL problem is simply ignorant of reality.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-your-medical-bills-will-just-keep-growing-2014-11-17?page=1

you aren't going to get most of the data you think you need because it doesn't exist. I doubt very seriously that even AA, DL, or UA know the amount of employees that are involved in each dept. as you think you need to know.

and all of your obsession with tiny little pieces of data only serves to prove that you don't really want to believe the big picture data which is readily available and shows that DL employees are productive because they aren't burdened by union inefficiencies and DL employees have interests that are aligned with the company.


DL employees are getting as good as or better deal than they could get anywhere else.

if they don't think so, the democratic process is there to give them an opportunity to vote in a union.

They have repeatedly shown they aren't interested.

which explains to a great deal why 700 and not DL employees post those e-posters.

 

[Kev3188]

and that is precisely the point....
if the unionization effort actually mattered, there WOULD BE DL employees besides Kevin who would be here trying to push a union agenda.

Lol. There you go again trying to use this site as a barometer of employee attitudes as a whole.
 
Remind us again when the DL board on this site has ever been crowded...
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

which is why I asked you where else I could find these supposedly employee produced IAM e billboards.

this site ISN'T crowded.... there is more than enough room for DL employees to be involved.

we are supposed to believe that an FA vote is right around the corner and yet DL FA involvement has never been lower.

other than this Facebook page which is half or more populated by other airline employees, where are all the DL employees?

 

[700UW]

Go to facebook they are all over there.

And like Kevin and others have said this site is not a measure of actual activity.

 

[Kev3188]

we are supposed to believe that an FA vote is right around the corner and yet DL FA involvement has never been lower.

other than this Facebook page which is half or more populated by other airline employees, where are all the DL employees?

 
 
 
Again, you are equating this site with the mood and/or activity of actual DL employees. I can understand wanting to, given that it's really the only link you have left to the industry, but it's simply not an accurate barometer.
 
Where are all the employees? Same places they always have been: on the ramp and in the cabin.

 

[WorldTraveler]

just tell me where else I can find DL employees - not AA and US employees but DL employees - and where all of these supposed DL employee created e-billboards can be seen.

simple question, Kev.

don't baffle us with BS.

just answer the question.

 

[Kev3188]

I already did.

But hey, maybe next time you "pop in" to a ready room, you can ask for some.

 

[WorldTraveler]

how about you post a picture of these displayed on DL property?

or do you slink around and stuff them into lockers while mgmt. isn't looking?