Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Nope I know and am familiar with a vast number of people across all levels of the IAM-local, district and international along with other unions. Just funny the GVP of Transportation wasn't there. He has been involved with the campaign before. 700 MNN posted a video on YouTube why haven't you posted it here?
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No just disappointing that you see only what you see. I've heard the sales pitch to the FA's and it is more along the line of... "Just sign it . We'll get a vote. You can vote how ever you want later. It just means a vote and if it doesn't work we can put pressure on for more pay and benefits . It's a win win "Kev3188 said:
I unlike you, I have no dog in this fight. But I have at least an unbiased view of what I witness. Like I said before vote however you wish ..it is your job. All I know is that I will be flamed for being honest so Flame away.
RELAX PEOPLE. Wholy shite. Wait for the vote announcement. Then wait for the vote count. The NMB will announce a vote, after verifying all sigs and cards, in approx 4 weeks min to maybe 6 weeks max. Give it a rest until then. Good God people, 12,000 F/A's have signed cards for a representational election out of almost 20,000. Like someone else posted, that's a good size number over the 50%+1. However, you all watch the propaganda from the Delta upper management "anti-union" campaign will kick in while we wait. And so will the "pro-union" activist. It will be a race from both sides to win going forward. Delta has been very, VERY, successful at keeping the unions out, but, I do not think they will be able to keep this union out, too many cards were signed which means too many employees do not believe they are being treated fairly. I wish all the F/A's good luck in the up coming vote (if there will be one) and hope you all get what you want in the long run. If you guys realy want a say at the table, rather it's a nego's table, or a BK table then by all means please vote to be unionized, otherwise, sit back at let the company do to your group what ever they want to do without any nego's what-so-ever. Congrats to all the hard work for getting the number of cards to draw the election, believe me, that was hard to do with 20,000 F/A's at one airline, my hat off to you all who made this happen. You all did this when over at AA the AMFA just can't seem to get 5 or 6 thousand cards from the combined group of AA and US for an election. Bravo to you all, CONGRATS!!!
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it is just an announcement to a vote.... but how about you tell us how well WN and UA FAs are doing in getting new contracts with the level of compensation increases that DL FAs have rec'd?
yes, DL will pull out the stops just as WN has done.
the difference is that WN also has pulled the checkbook off of the table as well.
DL FAs will make the IAM look the fool for investing so much in a campaign only to come up short handed.
DL people want more money and better bennies... the rest of the DL non-contract employees will get them and the FAs will be told they can have them AFTER they choose to remain non-union.
and since DL has already said that it intends to get a contract with the pilots this year, they'll get raises too.
the FAs will be left holding the 'you wanna union, we'll start from ground zero' card.
Just wait for the announcement on Feb 14 from the company telling the FAs that this could be their last profit sharing check because all is subject to negotiation.
Anyone who doesn't think this will happen or something pretty similar to it best remember the pay raises that PMDL non-union employees got while PMNW employees were held to their contract.
DL FAs will vote NO one more time...and continue the track record of voting down unions more often than any other workgroup in the history of US aviation, perhaps all of US business.
I'm willing to pay the first year of union dues for the first DL FA who believes I am wrong - if they are willing to pay me an equivalent amount.
yes, DL will pull out the stops just as WN has done.
the difference is that WN also has pulled the checkbook off of the table as well.
not really.
DL FAs will make the IAM look the fool for investing so much in a campaign only to come up short handed.
DL people want more money and better bennies... the rest of the DL non-contract employees will get them and the FAs will be told they can have them AFTER they choose to remain non-union.
the FAs just gave pay raises to the rest of DL's non-contract employees
and since DL has already said that it intends to get a contract with the pilots this year, they'll get raises too.
the FAs will be left holding the 'you wanna union, we'll start from ground zero' card.
Just wait for the announcement on Feb 14 from the company telling the FAs that this could be their last profit sharing check because all is subject to negotiation.
Anyone who doesn't think this will happen or something pretty similar to it best remember the pay raises that PMDL non-union employees got while PMNW employees were held to their contract.
DL FAs will vote NO one more time...and continue the track record of voting down unions more often than any other workgroup in the history of US aviation, perhaps all of US business.
I'm willing to pay the first year of union dues for the first DL FA who believes I am wrong - if they are willing to pay me an equivalent amount.
Do the the pilots and dispatchers have profit sharing?
Guess you don't understand Status Quo?
There is more to wanting a CBA than profit sharing, when will that sink into your brain?
QOL issues mean more than PS.
The horrible insurance increases is premiums and huge increases in prescription costs pushed the union over the top in card collectiond IMO.
Better tell your bosses that PS isn't an issue.
Guess you don't understand Status Quo?
There is more to wanting a CBA than profit sharing, when will that sink into your brain?
QOL issues mean more than PS.
The horrible insurance increases is premiums and huge increases in prescription costs pushed the union over the top in card collectiond IMO.
Better tell your bosses that PS isn't an issue.
So this will be Sitos first time as GVP with mainline F/As. Did he have experience representing and negotiating for the TWA F/As? Will he make the same mistakes this time around? Who will get on the initial negotiating committee? In newly organized workgroups and carriers past experience has been the cushy positions go to the suck ups involved with the campaign. Safe to say the people who delivered the cards will be leaders?700UW said:
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I hope DL stands their ground and doesn't let the IAM come in and take over. The IAM will probably push a CO-like agreement that will still give the company ultimate flexibility. If there ultimately is an election and subsequent certification I hope prolonged negotiations keep the IAM out of the dues (while still incurring costs) as long as possible.
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The IAM doesnt come in and take over, DL FAs will be representing DL FAs, they will be doing their own negotiations along with actuaries and experts.
All DL IAM reps will undergo schooling and training at Placid Harbor.
DL FAs will decide what their important issues are and will be doing their negotiations.
Gerry has you up very early this morning, Mr Meat Puppet.
Glad to see you are still posting misinformation and lies.
Once again, Bless Yer Heart.
All DL IAM reps will undergo schooling and training at Placid Harbor.
DL FAs will decide what their important issues are and will be doing their negotiations.
Gerry has you up very early this morning, Mr Meat Puppet.
Glad to see you are still posting misinformation and lies.
Once again, Bless Yer Heart.
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