Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

There isn't a F/A union to bust. I hope that if there is an election the IAM gets defeated even by a narrow margin and is barred for several years. After all perhaps the signatures (if they are even valid) are from people who just wanted the invasive and aggressive organizers to back off.

If th IAM does ultimately get in DL should take a hardline negotiating approach and push for industry changing reforms things like requiring five year contracts for F/As like many foreign carriers have. After all DL is a very innovative company. By taking this stance it would prolong negotiations (keeping the IAM out of dues while bearing considerable expenses) and send a message to other groups on the property.

Josh

Yeah great idea josh. Don't have a good relationship with the union (like they do with DALPA) and end up with all the issues AA and UA have. Nothing will get those FAs to keep up production like pissing them off. 
 
Let me give you a small tip if you ever become involved with airline labor, pissing on your employees is not a way to get results. There is a reason why Delta quickly goes after getting contracts done with DALPA. (but you are an AA fan boy, so it is expected that understand how to get good labor relations would be lost on your type.) 
 

And look what else they have done:
 

interesting, interesting indeed 
 
Hey Delta, you should bring some more stations back in-house. That might help too. just sayin..... 

 

[737823]

So DL ready reserves get more than the IAM negotiated for USAIR ready reserve?

Josh

 

[700UW]

There are no ready reserve at US.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.

 

[WorldTraveler]

dawg,
you seem to think that pissing on the labor-mgmt. relationship is a one way street in which only the company has a responsibility.

My question was about the legality of what DL can change during the voting process.

DL has shown before that they are willing to preference those who are pursuing unions vs. those that want to remain with DL's traditional system.

I still think it is possible that DL will offer goods to DL's non-union workgroups who are not pursuing unions and leave the rest behind.

It is not about pissing anyone off. It is about realizing that DL offers compensation packages above average because there are DL workgroups who choose to play by DL's game. DL has no incentive to throw that kind of money to workgroups that want to act just like the rest of the industry.
The pilots are unionized but still play very differently.


700,
you are simply a trashy union salesman. You have never been able to engage in a business discussion without attacking someone else. I have never said a word about your family... because they are not relevant to this discussion.

you are the best advertisement for the union thug mindset that exists and what DL FAs are getting themselves into if they vote for a union.

Thanks for showing who you really are. DL FAs don't want to get involved with the mindset you bring.

JUST VOTE NO DL FAs. 700 is the best reason why!

 

[700UW]

 

[737823]

The IAM wont break DL, DL is a well run and successful company. I just don't believe the union is in the interest of DL employees (aside from the few who get the suck up positions) and the IAM's track records with airline employees, flight attendants especially is pretty poor. Taking such a stance would show other groups that DL treated them better without the Union, and again DL could push for wide scale changes in ten industry. All other airline crafts have had changes imposed that impacted their job security and compensation-for pilots sharp increases in RJ flying-even between hubs and large cities, aircraft maintenance has been outsourced to MROs, fleet service is increasingly going to low paid vendors, passenger service to vendors. As it is F/As ride along the pilot scope and staff all flights tied to the mainline operating certificate. Nothing wrong wth DL innovating a 5 year contract for all current and new employees. Turnover would be good for everyone including the union who could line their pockets with initiation fees. So long as clear expectations are set going in nothing wrong with this approach.

Josh

 

[737823]

There are no ready reserve at US.
 
Keep up the lies and misinformation.

There was from 2008-2014, shocking you don't know how to read a CBA.

Josh

 

[700UW]

So i did digging around due to my curious nature and hearing so many disastrous things about the IAM and TWA I did my research and here are my links, IAM didnt cause Twa to fail there was many reasons in management the company did fail, American airlines didnt merge they aqcuired the employees at twa would have lost there jobs regardless it isnt fair there seniority upheld but that was APFA who didnt want to meet with them and agree to it. here are links proving it please research this.
 
link 1- http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-carl-icahn-k…
 
link 2- http://www.businessinsider.com/marc-andreessen-carl-icahn-k…
 
link 3- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines#2000s
 
link 4- http://blog.pmarca.com/…/when-carl-icahn-ran-a-company-the…/
 
link 5- http://www.businessinsider.com/questions-about-the-american…
 
and here is the twatravesty " " the side where i am is "negligent" i guess you can say, but there track record with other companies is impeccable and they did what the could and tried to assist with the transition at the interest of the employee.
 

 

[737823]

700 is like a used car salesman for the IAM!

Josh

 

[700UW]

So DL ready reserves get more than the IAM negotiated for USAIR ready reserve?

Josh

 
 

There was from 2008-2014, shocking you don't know how to read a CBA.

Josh

Learn to post, you stated it, you did not post that they HAD.
 
If its not in the current CBA, they cant have it, duh!
 
And they didnt utilize RR when it was in the CBA.

Keep up the lies and misinformation.

 

[737823]

The IAM screwed over the TWA workers no question about that. Rather than fight for their jobs and seniority they wanted the money from secured loans on TWs assets. AA should have never purchased TWA but as bad as TWA is USAIR is worse. At least with TWA their management largely went away, their trashy planes and most significantly the IAM walked away. This tome around all three are staying.

Josh

 

[700UW]

700 is like a used car salesman for the IAM!

Josh

The fraud and liar, who lies about who he really is and what his hidden agenda is and who pays him to do it.

 

[737823]

Learn to post, you stated it, you did not post that they HAD.
 
If its not in the current CBA, they cant have it, duh!
 
And they didnt utilize RR when it was in the CBA.

Keep up the lies and misinformation.

I said that the IAM negotiated, didn't state when they negotiated nor if it is currently in any CBA.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The IAM screwed over the TWA workers no question about that. Rather than fight for their jobs and seniority they wanted the money from secured loans on TWs assets. AA should have never purchased TWA but as bad as TWA is USAIR is worse. At least with TWA their management largely went away, their trashy planes and most significantly the IAM walked away. This tome around all three are staying.

Josh

Talk about lies and living in the past.
 
So tell board who you really are and work for.
 
We all know your a fraud.
 
You have been asked a gazillion times yet you fail to reply.
 
You are a fraud.

 

[737823]

Show me one lie.

Fact: the IAM handed over their remaining members to the TWU-many of whom received 25% DOH occupational seniority (company gave them 100%-imagine that-company treats workers better than the union)

Fact: most of the TWA management left, a small number are still around at HDQ but many left after the transition.

Fact: nearly all of the TWA aircraft-all 717s, 757s, and 763s left the fleet as did most of their S80s although some of the newest 1999 build MD-83s remain in the fleet today.

Josh