Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[topDawg]

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=90580d8270
 
A Message from APFA National President Laura Glading
Yesterday the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) delivered nearly 12,000 election request cards to the National Mediation Board. Each card was signed by a courageous Delta Air Lines Flight Attendant who chose unity and solidarity over division and fear. For Flight Attendants, that has meant decades of substandard work rules and now, sub-par wages as well. I relayed our congratulations to our counterparts at the IAM today, and offered APFA’s support. This is an important step in raising the bar for bargaining in our profession. Organizing at Delta will help lift Flight Attendants’ compensation and work rules throughout the industry.  
                                                                      
I have negotiated many contracts and agreements in my career and, with the exception of the most recent, management has always said: “We’ll pay you Delta’s wages if you give us Delta’s work rules.” For decades, Delta management has hamstrung Flight Attendant contract negotiations throughout the industry. I’m looking forward to the day when that is no longer the case. 
 
Once verified, the NMB will conduct a representation election. 
 
In Unity,
Laura Glading

I don't know about the FAs. 
 
but on the maintenance side this is a big reason why a union would be terrible here. 

 

[topDawg]

Dog they just had an election late last year due to the merger.

no i mean Delta didn't have to worry about a union vote. Now that they do they are going to be tossing benefits at employees left and right. 

 

[eolesen]

Yes, and now that the cards are delivered, that's easily construed as interference.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the same thing could have been said about the pay increases DL gave PMDL employees while DL intentionally did not give them to PMNW employees.

DL does not have to give the FAs what they have now... and a contract could take years to negotiate at the very time that DL could be throwing more to the non-union workgroups.

The DL FAs risk by a very high probability that they would suffer financially by choosing a union.

I wouldn't expect a bunch of pro-union people on here to admit it but anyone who has looked at what DL has done during union votes in the past could see it.

DL is NOT going to reward FAs for being unionized. DL will REWARD other employees during the FA voting process.

FAs will pay for being in a union if they choose to go that right.

but no one here has yet to bet me that the IAM will be sent packing and the FAs will walk away with more.

 

[700UW]

Ask DALPA about that,it didn't take them years to negotiate.

 

[diamondcutter]

the same thing could have been said about the pay increases DL gave PMDL employees while DL intentionally did not give them to PMNW employees.DL does not have to give the FAs what they have now... and a contract could take years to negotiate at the very time that DL could be throwing more to the non-union workgroups.The DL FAs risk by a very high probability that they would suffer financially by choosing a union.I wouldn't expect a bunch of pro-union people on here to admit it but anyone who has looked at what DL has done during union votes in the past could see it.DL is NOT going to reward FAs for being unionized. DL will REWARD other employees during the FA voting process.FAs will pay for being in a union if they choose to go that right.but no one here has yet to bet me that the IAM will be sent packing and the FAs will walk away with more.

How do you know what delta will or will not do??? Again I've asked you this many many times , what is the total value of the DL fa's compensation??? You have repeatedly stated they are compensated more than AA fa's. Please show us how with facts!!

 

[robbedagain]

diamond  it is not worthy of asking a mgmt. clown any sort of thing like bec he just cannot stand to show facts  even when he is proven wrong   he has absolutely 0 (zero) clue about the total compensation regardless what he says   He is so anti union its not even funny   and when he is proven wrong he resorts to changing subjects tunes etc even resorting to calling peeps out for everything   like a lit kid..     you can keep on asking him the same thing but you wont get the answers from him...   he been gone for long time and is not up to date like he alleges

 

[diamondcutter]

diamond  it is not worthy of asking a mgmt. clown any sort of thing like bec he just cannot stand to show facts  even when he is proven wrong   he has absolutely 0 (zero) clue about the total compensation regardless what he says   He is so anti union its not even funny   and when he is proven wrong he resorts to changing subjects tunes etc even resorting to calling peeps out for everything   like a lit kid..     you can keep on asking him the same thing but you wont get the answers from him...   he been gone for long time and is not up to date like he alleges

So very true, can't wait for the spin, the subject change, and conjecture!!!

 

[Kev3188]

I don't know about the FAs. 
 
but on the maintenance side this is a big reason why a union would be terrible here.

Likewise, I can't speak for maintenance, but I for one would love to see the "division and fear" that Glading speaks of eradicated from ACS.
 
 

Ask DALPA about that,it didn't take them years to negotiate.

Not it did not. Amazing what happens when both sides treat each other as professionals.
 
 

Please show us how with facts!!

Why bother ruining a good narrative?

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

Delta has proven that, when its employees are unionized, Delta Corporate can expeditiously negotiate a working agreement. The last round of bargaining with the Delta Pilots produced a Working Agreement even before it was due, and Delta Corporate has committed the same this year for the Pilots.
 
In the round before that, the pilots had a working agreement in just a few short months. The dispatchers bargained a 5-year working agreement with Delta quickly and without controversy. Delta Corporate tells us regularly that it respects our ability to decide to become union. We believe the respect they talk about will be shown at the bargaining table with Delta Flight Attendants.
 


Is is true that if we have a union, Delta can't improve our pay, benefits or working conditions for the time frame of the working agreement/contract?
 


Wrong. Improvements can be made at any time. The difference is that with a union, they'll be legally binding and can't be taken away.
 


- See more at: http://www.iamdelta.net/facts-post-filing-q-a/#sthash.QwOk72YR.dpuf

 
 

 

[WeAAsles]

If the Boss is for Unions, then so am I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x8zBzxCwsM

 

[700UW]

 

[topDawg]

the same thing could have been said about the pay increases DL gave PMDL employees while DL intentionally did not give them to PMNW employees.

DL does not have to give the FAs what they have now... and a contract could take years to negotiate at the very time that DL could be throwing more to the non-union workgroups.

The DL FAs risk by a very high probability that they would suffer financially by choosing a union.

I wouldn't expect a bunch of pro-union people on here to admit it but anyone who has looked at what DL has done during union votes in the past could see it.

DL is NOT going to reward FAs for being unionized. DL will REWARD other employees during the FA voting process.

FAs will pay for being in a union if they choose to go that right.

but no one here has yet to bet me that the IAM will be sent packing and the FAs will walk away with more.

So know you are making threats to the FA group? 
 
hey buddy, just a word to the wise, i'd stop talking if I were you. I bet that if someone from Virginia ave was seeing this crap they would be begging you to STFU.
 
and again, still have no friggin clue what your talking about. Zero understand of section 6 and the RLA. Zero. 
 

Ask DALPA about that,it didn't take them years to negotiate.

He can't grasp that because he can't admit Delta and DALPA have a good relationship. If he post that it is possible(likely) then he doesn't get the push the fear of joining into a union. 
 
For now he is going to talk out of his ass and push as much fear as possible.....having no idea what is really going to happen. 
 
in other words. typical WT. (and if the FAs vote in a union and have the relationship they will have with Delta then he will be on here in a few months explaining how much better Delta is than AA because of it. )
 

Likewise, I can't speak for maintenance, but I for one would love to see the "division and fear" that Glading speaks of eradicated from ACS.
 
 

Not it did not. Amazing what happens when both sides treat each other as professionals.
 
 

Why bother ruining a good narrative?

and for below wing I wouldn't blame you at all. 
 
Blue is treated differently than purple. No questions about it. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not making any threats to anyone.

because it is absolutely true that DL is under no obligation to continue locking DL FA salary increases and benefits to other non-contract employee groups.

I would never expect the truth on that reality to come from you or any of the pro-union propaganda pushers on this board but DL FAs will have to negotiate a new agreement with DL mgmt. and, as Josh notes could very easily include terms which are different from what DL offers now AND what is different from what DL's competitors include in their CBAs.

IF FAs at other airlines have to be treated the same as other employee groups at the same airline, then you wouldn't have all of the backstabbing between labor groups that goes on at AA and UA - and which are documented on a minute by minute basis on this website.

This website is THE BEST advertising of the cutthroat, competitive labor environment that will take place between DL FAs and other DL labor groups because that is the environment which LABOR UNIONS themselves propose.

DL has made it clear in the past that when the non-pilot workgroups have tried to unionize, DL will do everything possible to benefit those who stay non-union.

To believe that the same thing won't happen again or that the FAs will continue the wins that they have accumulated under the DL direct relationship is nothing short of naïve.

I know you are living vicariously thru the FA election but there isn't even a hint of an election in maintenance which should tell you out of place you are with your coworkers.

GO be an FA and you can help the IAM win the election.