WorldTraveler said:
DL has a policy regarding RRs, Kev.
you have harped against it and said how unfair it is and how you they have been disenfranchised by the company.
trying to impose limits on it that are above what the company is doing (why would someone vote for a union to enforce what DL already is doing?) is the perfect recipe for taking compensation progression away from topped out employees right at the very time that DL like the rest of the industry is posting record profits.
dawg is correct. The pilots are already considering reducing profit sharing. They could exchange profit sharing for increases in pay. Profit sharing has been an equalizer at DL - all employees receive the same percentage. If DL whacks profit sharing at DALPA's request, there is NO ASSURANCE whatsoever that they will monetize it for other employee groups at the same rate.
Employee groups that unionize could very well see their pay reset to industry standard levels while losing profit sharing.
now that you are forced to admit that there is no candy shop and any improvements for RR employees will have to come by weakening the compensation program for FT employees, you aren't quite so willing to tout improvements for RR employees, are you? and yet you need their vote in spade in order to get the IAM in.
just like the Machinist's union appeals to the DL FAs, the unionistas have been pushing economically unviable promises that do not square with what DL's competitors FAs have with unions..... not one of them has the same combination of the aggressive pay rates and growth in profit sharing which so far tops what any other carrier is paying (let's see what percentage WN will pay its employees) but WN employee pay growth has stopped while DL continues to provide pay increases.
once again, the Machinists' union is trying to create expectations of more that are very unlikely to become reality while the certainty is that DL FAs will pay hundreds of millions of dollars per year to watch their compensation growth of the past several years stopped in its tracks.
DL FAs can see thru the failed logic of that deal.
Two things
Please WT what is the limits for RRs in a station. You say Delta has a policy then just simply post it.
Two I wasn't talking about the pilots. I was talking about for me. I would sell profitsharing and I wouldn't even need a single % of raised base pay.
You read APC to much with the pilot info btw.
WorldTraveler said:
for hundreds of millions of dollars per year in union dues, the RRs will get more bang for their buck by keeping it in THEIR wallets.
and you still can't address the question as to why DL would all of a sudden start adding on enormous costs to the RR program without taking it out of the paychecks of topped out workers.
the reason why you got a nice return on your investment is because NW, not DL, threatened to close cities that would have jeopardized your job.
simple math is for stupid people.
Lets just lie about the number spent (and I mean not even be remotely close) in hopes that someone will pick that ball up and run with it.
It is quite sad that you feel the need to lie just to push your opinion. At least me, kev and 700 can be honest.
WorldTraveler said:
of course they will LOOK INTO IT... and then there is a very good chance they will "JUST SAY NO" like they have done 3 times before.
to believe that the Machinist's union will support dues for DL FAs that are far higher paid than ExpressJet FAs at a level below those regional carrier employees is simply non-sense.
there is no way the IAM will put union membership "on sale".
and there is no way that DL FAs want to transfer part of their paycheck to their peers... esp. lower seniority FAs who will be disproportionately hit with union dues while very likely being represented by topped out FAs that will protect their interests.
and the worst part is that DL FAs won't know how much of ANYTHING they will get until they get infected with unionitis which has been shown to be a disease that can't be cured. once unionized, airline employees can't get out when they find out how bad it is.
they can switch which is what NW employees did.... but they can't get rid of the union sucking money out of their paychecks.
Also false, unions can be voted out. Its hard to do but possible.
WorldTraveler said:
you never worked for DL and never have been an FA... so you are no more qualified to speak on the subject than I am.
your tirade only shows that you can't tell the DL FAs what they will shell out in union dues or get in anything else so they are taking a big roll at the roulette wheel with a union - with no realistic chance of getting rid of a union once they start sucking up union dues, deliver or not.
At least with profit sharing, DL FA's interests are aligned with the stockholders.
DL FAs CANNOT vote in the IAM and not "donate" (euphemism) to the national treasury and to support paid organizers and activists.
there is no "pay for performance" with unions. They get paid regardless of what they deliver.
bad system. One that DL employees will "consider" and then vote down, just as they have 3 other times.
I disagree. 700 posts facts for people to make an educated choice
You post crap, most of it being Ifs, buts, maybes, what I would dos, butt hurt rants and call it facts. You also clearly have no the smallest understanding on anything dealing with a union, the RLA and section 6 negotiations.
From someone who has taken many classes on it, who understand the process from the management side as well as the labor side, I have never in my life seen so much misinformation before in my life.
Kev3188 said:
Why let any of that get in the way of a good story?
The amount of stupid is amazing sometimes.
WorldTraveler said:
The employees did not pay Richard Anderson's salary out of their pockets
IAM members paid not only Buff's salary but a whole.lot more including your little piece
Richard created wealth and shared it with alot of people
That is what the free enterprise system does
Not so with unions
And you aren't grass roots...you are a weed
For those of you on the outside
Gerry and his team created the profitsharing plan, Richard hasn't added a cent to it, in fact he has taken from it......
