Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

nope, I will refrain from my comments about unionization as long as only active DL employees in workgroups that have active and viable unionization campaigns going on are the only ones that are posting on here.

since all non-contract DL personnel share common benefits packages, you can comment about what those mean to you but when you or Kev or worse yet non-DL and never been DL employees start telling me about why the FAs need a union, I am right in the conversation. guaranteed.

 

[BABABOOY]

http://bedeltabedifferent.com

 

[700UW]

 

[topDawg]

nope, I will refrain from my comments about unionization as long as only active DL employees in workgroups that have active and viable unionization campaigns going on are the only ones that are posting on here.

since all non-contract DL personnel share common benefits packages, you can comment about what those mean to you but when you or Kev or worse yet non-DL and never been DL employees start telling me about why the FAs need a union, I am right in the conversation. guaranteed.

Lol. So you constantly tell me how wrong I am when it comes to TechOps stuff why exactly? 

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, when you talk about stuff that is in your job description, then I will defer to you. but when you make statements that are about aircraft but not YOUR JOB and are inaccurate, then I will speak out.

and the fact that right now you are making a whole lot of incorrect statements about very inaccurate DL's network and finances doesn't do anything to make your point - but it sure does show that you have an ax to grind and will grab at whatever you can, whether there are accurate facts or not.

 

[700UW]

And yet your not ACS, your not a FA, your not Aircraft maintenance.
 
Your not even a DL employee and havent been one for over eight years.
 
Your not at DL and you dont know what is going on there, your on the outside looking in.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you have never been a part of DL. NEVER.

thank you for reminding us once again of how badly the IAM wants to dominate the conversation to the exclusion of the voice of active, actual DL FAs to whom **I** am willing to defer to....but you can't let the people who are affected by the decision to carry on the conversation.

great piece, baba, esp. the part about how the Machinists union national dictates how the vast majority of IAM dues are spent, including to support strikes at other companies among workgroups completely unrelated to DL FAs.

http://bedeltabedifferent.com/about-the-iam/

DL FAs aren't interested in seeing their hard earned wages go to fix the strategic errors of the Machinists union in other industries, including to provide the resources for the IAM to use to flex its muscles - at the expense of DL FAs.

 

[700UW]

You have been gone over eight years, you were never a FA so you have no idea of what the issues are.
 
You post  DL propaganda page and use it as gospel, and its not.
 
You threaten the DL FAs and you lie and post misinformation all the time.
 
I bet I have had more interaction over the years with FAs than you have.
 
And I was on the IAM CO FA Negotiating Committee, were you?
 
And the International doesnt tell the District nor the Local Lodge on how they are to spend their portion of the dues money.

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, your attempts to exclude anyone else and any other information from the discussion that doesn't extol the IAM should serve as a very powerful reminder of why the IAM wants to control, not represent, but control, the DL FAs.

You aren't and haven't been a DL employee. EVER.

and you also can't argue against the very real facts that the Machinists union, aka IAM, is interested in DL FAs because of the enormous amount of dues they will pay. By your own words, they will represent one of the largest workgroups at the IAM.

Most of the dues the DL FAs will have to pay IS NOT up for the DL FAs to decide or spend but goes to national interests including to buoy the IAM's power in industries where the IAM has lost enormous amounts of members.

representation of the DL FAs by the IAM is built around nothing but an enormous wealth transfer from DL FAs to the IAM and its members elsewhere.

DL FAs MUST understand what is involved in belonging to a national union.

 

[700UW]

You are the one who keeps posting over and over about how some of us don't work at DL so we don't know what is going on and we don't work there.

So bub you haven't worked for DL in over eight years, you weren't a FA nor ever had to deal with them in your role in revenue management.

A lot has changed in over the eight years since you took the money and ran from DL.

Over. 12,000 current FAs have signed cards and more are coming in daily.

So since you arent a DL employee and you say we shouldn't post as we aren't a DL employee, so you shouldn't post either then since you arent a DL employee and haven't been in over eight years and you were never a FA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, you are trying to make people here as well as FAs believe that you are MORE QUALIFIED to speak for them than they are for yourselves.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CAPABLE OF SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES.

YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THAT AND SIT ON THE SIDELINES.

Because if they do think for themselves, they will find out what a REALLY bad choice the IAM would be.

This board exists solely as a propaganda tool for you and the IAM to use.

I will be here to ensure that you and them do not have free reign to say what you want.

learn to compete in the marketplace of ideas and face the facts that if the IAM was even a third as good as you think it is, their membership wouldn't be a nose-dive and DL FAs wouldn't be "one of the largest workgroups" (your words) if they unionize with the Machinists union.

The IAM wants DL FA money to save the organization. There is no other explanation that can be made - and DL FAs aren't interested in saving the union movement or the IAM's decades of failed strategies.

 

[Kev3188]

All this grandstanding is nice, but it ignores the fundamental truth that it wasn't the IAM that came looking for the F/A's; it was the other way around. In fact, for some time the IAMAW wasn't interested at all.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

since the AFA was voted down, there aren't a whole lot of options. and let's also not forget that there are a lot of PMNW people who worked with the IAM and still are loyal to it.

and I still say that if DL employees REALLY believe they can do better with a union, then they should form an independent union.

when the DL FA group is as large as it is, it doesn't need to send DL FA money to a national union and is certainly capable of finding the expertise to run a good in-house union for a whole lot less than $14 million.

by point is and remains that I am willing to support DL employees to make their own decision in their own workgroups about the best route forward regarding representation.

if this forum is populated by DL FAs to speak about this campaign, I'm on the sidelines.

If you and dawg want to talk about general DL issues such as health care which is shared by all non-contract employees, I'll yield to you.

I will not allow non-DL and never been DL employees to carry the conversation while telling me that I have no right to participate but they do.

 

[700UW]

You truly dont get it.
 
You are the one telling us we cant post cause we dont work for DL, well hate to tell you this, you dont work for DL and havent in over eight years, and you were never a FA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, I'm telling you that you have no more of a right to post than I do and that if you back out of the conversation and take non-DL employees with you, I'll stay out.

how you have failed to understand what has been said so many times is simply mind-boggling.