Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

You really have a comprehension problem.
 
You have told the non-DL employees they dont know what is going on and cant comment on DL.
 
Well you havent been at DL for over eight years nor have you been a FA.
 
So you have no background nor expertise in what is currently happening at DL and the IAM and the Grassroots Campaign.

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, you're only strategy to insert yourself into the conversation is to argue that you have a right to be in it but others do not.

IT IS A DL EMPLOYEE DECISION.

You are not one.

I am happy to sit on the sidelines and leave it to DL employees within their work group.

You simply cannot do that.

There are no union-leaning DL FAs that frequent this site. It is what it is.

There are rampers and if that is where the focus of the conversation turns, there is NO ONE at DL who is more qualified to lead a union than Kevin.

I would heartily support him for a leadership position of an inhouse union.

I do not and never will believe that a nationwide union which diverts money from DL employees to a national union is or ever could be good for DL employees.

Given the success of the APA and APFA at AA, it is clear they can do just as good if not a better job than national unions.

but that is a DL EMPLOYEE DECISION WITHIN THEIR OWN WORKGROUP.

When you butt out and leave them to have their own conversation, I will do the same.

 

[topDawg]

no, when you talk about stuff that is in your job description, then I will defer to you. but when you make statements that are about aircraft but not YOUR JOB and are inaccurate, then I will speak out.

and the fact that right now you are making a whole lot of incorrect statements about very inaccurate DL's network and finances doesn't do anything to make your point - but it sure does show that you have an ax to grind and will grab at whatever you can, whether there are accurate facts or not.

I have an ax to grind? 
 
uh........whatever you say Leo....whatever you say. 

 

[Kev3188]

Isn't nice that someone is here to 'splain your own reality to you?
 
Meanwhile, putting aside the "any union but..." union busting tactic for a second, the in-house union idea was tried before (PFAA), and discussed again post-merger (ADFA?). The appetite for that is simply not there...

 

[topDawg]

Isn't nice that someone is here to 'splain your own reality to you?
 
Meanwhile, putting aside the "any union but..." union busting tactic for a second, the in-house union idea was tried before (PFAA), and discussed again post-merger (ADFA?). The appetite for that is simply not there...

It is just amazing to me how much I am told that I hate Delta by him. 
 
I mean one of us works at Delta and one doesn't....... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Isn't nice that someone is here to 'splain your own reality to you?
 
Meanwhile, putting aside the "any union but..." union busting tactic for a second, the in-house union idea was tried before (PFAA), and discussed again post-merger (ADFA?). The appetite for that is simply not there...

and given that there was no appetite for ANY union, the problem was apparently not the idea of an inhouse union.

and the problem w/ an in house union is that it requires DL people to step up to the plate to be the first leaders in an organization that will be challenged by DL execs.

but OTOH, DL has NOTHING they can say to a union that is formed exclusively of DL employees and which won't send its money to a national union.

again, I don't know the leadership within DL that is pushing for a union but I do know some of the people at DL - and I still think that you, Kev, would have to be one of the very best choices to lead an INTERNAL unionization campaign.

it's a compliment - and a challenge, Kev.  

I've never doubted your abilities or your ideals. I just don't happen to think you have the right formula but I would far rather see you than any outside organization.

 

It is just amazing to me how much I am told that I hate Delta by him. 
 
I mean one of us works at Delta and one doesn't.......

perhaps if you didn't spend so much time telling us how much DL screws up, I wouldn't be so convinced that is what you believe.

 

[robbedagain]

or perhaps if you truly would listen to the ACTIVE DL FOLKS tellin you what the REALITY OF THE SITUATION is you cld be more convinced   but given you been gone for close to a DECADE now you truly are not up to date with reality of things at the ole Widget.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I do listen to them.

We have one active DL FA who regularly participates in this forum.

He/she does not support unionization. and he/she is one voice. an internet forum will never capture the will of the majority of people. That is precisely what in-house discussions - which Kev says is taking place - are for.

Those discussions don't involve you, me, or 700.

 

[robbedagain]

that's just one of a few that don't support but the majority do otherwise they would not of signed for representation

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you and others can't seem to accept that DL employees have repeatedly NOT voted for representation even though the combined number of unionized employees at NW plus original DL employees who favor unions was higher than 50% - and yet the unions lost

the reason is because DL employees have consistently spoken out enough to make the company believe they are willing to unionize if they don't get what they want... but since DL employees make above average compared to their peers there is no economic value that a union could deliver if the negotiating platform changes to industry average - which is all any union can claim that they can help employees get.

WN employees are stuck in neutral with new contracts even though WN is recording record profits - because WN has no reason to pay its employees longer any more and the unions have no power to force WN to do so.

DL employees can push for unions but a union can't deliver a better package than what DL employees have, esp. when you consider that DL employees get what they have without union dues.

and IF DL employees in currently non-union workgroups ever decide to unionize, the best way they could maximize their impact while minimizing the cost is to have an inhouse union led and negotiated by DL people.

 

[topDawg]

and given that there was no appetite for ANY union, the problem was apparently not the idea of an inhouse union.

and the problem w/ an in house union is that it requires DL people to step up to the plate to be the first leaders in an organization that will be challenged by DL execs.

but OTOH, DL has NOTHING they can say to a union that is formed exclusively of DL employees and which won't send its money to a national union.

again, I don't know the leadership within DL that is pushing for a union but I do know some of the people at DL - and I still think that you, Kev, would have to be one of the very best choices to lead an INTERNAL unionization campaign.

it's a compliment - and a challenge, Kev.  

I've never doubted your abilities or your ideals. I just don't happen to think you have the right formula but I would far rather see you than any outside organization.

 

perhaps if you didn't spend so much time telling us how much DL screws up, I wouldn't be so convinced that is what you believe.

Well if you didn't blow sun shine up everyone's ass I wouldn't have to chime in to set the record straight
 
And most of your sun shine blowing is completely false at that.  
 

or perhaps if you truly would listen to the ACTIVE DL FOLKS tellin you what the REALITY OF THE SITUATION is you cld be more convinced   but given you been gone for close to a DECADE now you truly are not up to date with reality of things at the ole Widget.

word.... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

poor you.

you feel hurt that I gave Kev the heads up for leadership but not you.

It might have something to do with the fact that he is actually in a group that has potential to organize and you aren't.

 

[700UW]

 

[700UW]

In a February 2, 2015 memo entitled "Changes To The Ready Reserve Swap Policy" DTW management said, "In order to ensure our operation is covered and keep our staffing levels even, we find it necessary to implement a change to the Ready Reserve Swap Policy."
 
"Each month, when we send out the current Ready Reserve Hours Report; if you are in the section of the report that is dark red and the recommendation reads 'Decrease Hours' you will no longer be able to pick up any swaps. You will still be able to give hours away."
 

"The memo goes on to say, "We realize this may be inconvenient, but it is important that we are able to maintain even staffing levels throughout the year."
 
Our recommendation would be to give Permanent Positions to those Ready Reserves that want them. If you are a Ready Reserve anywhere in the system, sign a union card. Having a union would allow us to get more permanent positions written right into a contract. Rules for hours of work and schedules could be guaranteed in writing, instead of being whipped around on a whim.
 
Delta has said the Ready Reserve Program is designed to help with the peaks and valleys of the airline business. This memo reveals it is designed for one thing - cheap labor. Sign a card!

 
 

 

[700UW]

"Corporate pay packages have gotten out of control. It has become a salary derby out there.” Former Delta CEO, Gerald Grinstein in 2007 after refusing post bankruptcy bonuses. -USAToday
 
For those still using the slogan "Keep Delta Our Delta", your Delta changed forever when the new leadership took the reins.
 
2005
Gerald Grinstein - CEO-$382,207
 

2006
Gerald Grinstein – CEO-$343,402
James Whitehurst – COO-$417,370
Ed Bastian – CFO-$443,369
Glen Hauenstein - EVP-$388,675
Joseph Kolshak – EVP-$386,675
Total for 2006 - $1,979,698
 
In early 2007 Delta emerged from bankruptcy. The figures below give a clear idea of what the 'New' Delta looks like. Those at the top are doing very well for themselves yet they continue to use the same slogans from a time when employees came first.
 
2007
Richard Anderson – CEO-$11,296,759
Ed Bastian – President &CFO-$10,298,340
Mike Campbell – EVP-$6,380,261
Glen Hauenstein – EVP-$7,333,300
Lee Macenczak – EVP-$5,939,836
Total for 2007 - $41,248,496
 
There's enough profit for EVERYONE to do well at Delta, not just executives.