Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.
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Two faced?
On one hand the IAM is telling everyone that A-days won't go away
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on the other we have this as part of the official IAM survey
Why wouldn't it be included? It's obviously a very "hot" issue for your work group.
My guess is that the results will reflect a massive majority prefer keeping A-days.
On top of who's list? I've yet to see anything anywhere that talks of going to a traditional reserve system. Maybe you can point us to where you've seen that?townpete said:
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Would you expect a site owned by the Heritage Foundation to say anything else?townpete said:
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no, PMNW employees did not fare better in BK.
Kevin has said it without facts to back it up and you have bought it hook, line, and sinker because you aren't interested in knowing the facts but in spouting a story which pushes the union agenda.
for you to argue that someone else is lying when you refuse to acknowledge the clear facts demonstrates the height of deceit that is part of the way the IAM makes its presentation.
They and you aren't interested in the truth.
The simple fact is that NW got a far largest percentage of its cuts due to the complete failure of AMFA.
in total, NW cuts it labor costs more than DL did
further, despite the fact that DL and NW had the exact same labor costs per ASM at the time of the merger, DL employees made more on average while NW had more people doing the same job.
NW's strategy was built around less productive and lower paid employees while DL's was and continues to be based on higher paid and more productive employees.
Union companies across the board are less productive than their non-union peers.
Companies do not pay more for less productive workforces. They paid their individual employees less.
Unions want less productive employees so they can get more union dues.
Any DL FA who thinks the IAM won't do everything it can to push up the number of jobs at the expense of their personal salaries is a fool.
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So many stereotypes, so little time...
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I don't really care about your or anyone else's stereotypes.
I do care about the facts.
and any DL FA that wants to vote even halfway with their brain better use facts and not emotions.
DL employees were better paid and more productive and took less cuts in BK. A big part of NW"s cuts came from AMFA that walked away from 5000 of the best paying ground jobs in the industry.
those are facts.
you can cling to whatever stereotypes you want to, Kev.
I do care about the facts.
and any DL FA that wants to vote even halfway with their brain better use facts and not emotions.
DL employees were better paid and more productive and took less cuts in BK. A big part of NW"s cuts came from AMFA that walked away from 5000 of the best paying ground jobs in the industry.
those are facts.
you can cling to whatever stereotypes you want to, Kev.
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if you truly cared about facts then you would not change tunes or hammer folks You've been asked repeatedly on numerous occasions to bring up specific things and you cant despite the fact that others have pointed out the TRUTH. So don't give us that you care only about facts crap bec it wont work.
Currently DL folks are AT WILL folks and DL can and has changed things with little regard or input to the workers. Go look at the IAM Fleet contract for PMUS and youll see how strong our scope is for example
Currently DL folks are AT WILL folks and DL can and has changed things with little regard or input to the workers. Go look at the IAM Fleet contract for PMUS and youll see how strong our scope is for example
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and as much as Kev wants to argue otherwise, the study TownPete cited validates exactly what I just said - that unions want more total workers making less because unions typically based their dues make money on the number of people they represent
and here is another datapoint that discounts Kevin's often claimed not never proven comment that NW people fared better in BK.
between 2001 and the merger, NW ended up with 59% of the number of workers they had at the end of 2001.
in the same period, DL ended up with 66%.
further, even if you want to claim that the DL-NW merger was established before DL and NW even entered BK on the same day, DL had cut a smaller percentage of employees even before BK and DL ADDED employees between 2006 and the merger.
NW lost a another 800 employees between 2006 and the merger.
It also negates the repeated statement that NW fared better in BK because the cuts at both DL and NW came between 2001 and 2006 which was before BK.
Unions did no better and in fact a worse job in saving jobs at NW even outside of BK compared to DL
and here is another datapoint that discounts Kevin's often claimed not never proven comment that NW people fared better in BK.
between 2001 and the merger, NW ended up with 59% of the number of workers they had at the end of 2001.
in the same period, DL ended up with 66%.
further, even if you want to claim that the DL-NW merger was established before DL and NW even entered BK on the same day, DL had cut a smaller percentage of employees even before BK and DL ADDED employees between 2006 and the merger.
NW lost a another 800 employees between 2006 and the merger.
It also negates the repeated statement that NW fared better in BK because the cuts at both DL and NW came between 2001 and 2006 which was before BK.
Unions did no better and in fact a worse job in saving jobs at NW even outside of BK compared to DL
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Was what I wrote not clear enough for you?townpete said:
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so are you going to continue to persist that NW employees fared better when data clearly shows that is not the case... and most of the cuts in headcount at both DL and NW took place between 2001 and 2006 - when unions at NW did a worse job of protecting jobs than DL did.
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Facts, schmacts.... 🙄robbedagain said:
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Im sure those 1,150 people are so happy their union dues went to good use. So much for "job protection" eh?
United Airlines said Friday that it has a tentative agreement with a union to outsource about 1,150 airport jobs while sparing another 800 positions.
Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/20150213-united-says-it-has-tentative-deal-to-outsource-more-than-1000-airport-jobs.ece
United Airlines said Friday that it has a tentative agreement with a union to outsource about 1,150 airport jobs while sparing another 800 positions.
Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/20150213-united-says-it-has-tentative-deal-to-outsource-more-than-1000-airport-jobs.ece
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Indeed.
The difference is that most people recognize it as the sh*tty T/A at one carrier that it is, whereas most anti-labor foamers will use it to describe organized labor in it's entirety.
The difference is that most people recognize it as the sh*tty T/A at one carrier that it is, whereas most anti-labor foamers will use it to describe organized labor in it's entirety.
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yes, facts that invalidate the claim you have been making for years and people have been believing as if it were the Gospel.
in fact, NW FAs fared worse than their DL peers in BK and fewer DL employees lost their jobs at less total loss of pay than at NW.
those are facts, Kevin.
I'm sorry to have to go toe to toe with you but when the future of 20K FAs is on the line, they deserve to know the truth
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