Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

and again, you MUST exclude the 16.5% profit sharing that DL awarded its employees.

If you included that, DL employees FAR gained larger increases in compensation than their peers at any airline.

it's no wonder that you have been trying for so long to pretend that profit sharing doesn't matter given that the industry is at its best point in profitability in decades = and DL employees are at the top of the industry in PS while AA employees don't have it at all.

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet you continue to argue that everything is subject to negotiation and that profit sharing could be pulled at any time.

guess what? it can be.

DL could easily bring its FAs up to industry standard FA pay, eliminate profit sharing, and then turn around and give it to DL's other employees. there is not a thing that the IAM or DL FAs could do if DL decided that the profit sharing that DL has paid out for years doesn't go to the FAs until it is included in a contract.

 

[topDawg]

hey dawg,
it would be nice if you admitted you were wrong... it would probably also be a first.

No it wouldn't. I don't twist things like you do.
Don and his team once again hit the ball out of the park. Hopefully some other ideas he has will come to light too. (and on congrats to guys like Southwind. Gettin new digs should be nice. New hangar roof next please)
 

you really wouldn't have any choice, though, since a large engine test cell is kinda hard to hide.

I don't hide things, lie or bulls**t people like you killer.
As soon as that PR hits the wire I will posting it. I love it when Delta proves me wrong in cases like this.
 

you've droned on endlessly about how you and others took it in the shorts 10 years ago - and you won't let go of that - despite the fact that DL has done plenty to change TODAY, including bringing more work back to DL employees via removing regional jets from its contracted fleet and adding mainline aircraft.

No i just try to give fair comparisons. You can't do it. Again, you wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and kicked you in the face.
 

the reason why I didn't mention AA is because THEY AREN'T DOING IT.

They don't have a joint work group like Delta does. You have no idea what will happen with a JCBA. If they copy and pasta the US scope AA will be bringing stations back in house.
 

they will park more mainline aircraft than they will add to their fleet and they are adding far more regional aircraft, largely two cabin RJs.

Delta doesn't have to class RJs? Again, because of BK, AA is late to the party. They are terrible even though your b%tching about something Delta did 10 years ago. (hell even now Delta is adding big RJs)

 

it takes the same number of AA pilots to fly a 321 as it does an M80. tell me if the number of rampers is going up.

Are rampers at Delta going up? no. Quite deflecting.
 

further, you can harp all you want about DL getting rid of cargo but what did the IAM protect at UA cargo? absolutely nothing. AA has closed far more stations post 9/11 than DL has. We're still waiting for the list from Kev.

ugh learn how to read man.
You said Delta uses NWs scope. I told you they didn't and how.......now I am harping.
You know how you talked all that s*&t IN THIS POST about how i need to admit I was wrong about the engine shop?
Why don't you, for once, be a man and admit YOU are wrong about Delta using NW scope on the ramp? Man up or shut up.
 

So, you will be admitting you were wrong with the large engine test cell. You tried to convince us from the beginning that DL would outsource all of that new engines work while I told you to sit tight and believe that DL might be able to bring some of it inhouse.

Try to read above. I know its hard for you to do. Ask for help if you need it. I can type it in a bigger font if you would like.....
 

and you and Kev and others are flat out wrong that DL hasn't brought work inhouse even for the ramp both via having DL handle work which was outsourced not just on the ramp but across the board

No we aren't. We just read and understand English. You clearly don't.
 

the simple fact whether you will admit it or not - which is precisely why many of us keep on posting one fact after another - is that DL has done a better job of protecting the jobs of its employees than any other legacy airline.

Facts and you don't go together. At all.

 

[topDawg]

Got the info from an official DL email from the head of engine maint. which I will not post here.
Possible this email was only sent to engine maintenance personnel.

I haven't looked to see if I have anything. I have a friend who is fairly high up on yall side and knew it was being presented to the BOD and had the backing from Richard and Ed. (which meant it would be approved) 
I just mean I wasn't going to say anything till TechOps sent out a public PR. Not trying to piss in anyones pool letting that info get out till they want it too. 
 
smart of you to not post the email btw. 
 

This is interesting to me. Is there anything on the Tech Ops page?

I'm sure its on the TechOps site.... I haven't checked though. 
 

the letter has been made available to the larger DL community

 

It might be on DeltaNet (Idk I haven't looked) but that isn't public. read above. 
 

and yet you continue to argue that everything is subject to negotiation and that profit sharing could be pulled at any time.

guess what? it can be.

DL could easily bring its FAs up to industry standard FA pay, eliminate profit sharing, and then turn around and give it to DL's other employees. there is not a thing that the IAM or DL FAs could do if DL decided that the profit sharing that DL has paid out for years doesn't go to the FAs until it is included in a contract.

the only way Delta can do that is if the FAs and Delta agree to it. Delta can not pull profit sharing till a CBA is reached now. 
 
Note, that is only for FAs because of the election coming up. All the other work groups are still at will and anything can be changed at any time. 
 
Learn the RLA please. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

you should check the Tech Ops site.

and then you should be man enough to admit that I was right - again - that DL might be coming up with something that would ensure that the big engine work on future DL aircraft can be done in-house.

instead you try to deflect from the fact that what I said has indeed happened - and how many months past the order announcement are we - and how many months BEFORE the first delivery?

as for the larger mainline vs. RJ issue, Dl identified it as an issue for the industry years ago and made it public. AA could have gotten rid of a bunch more 50 seaters in BK but didn't. They now operate the world's largest fleet of 50 seaters and a bunch more hubs than they need because the two are linked.

DL made the choice to cut 50 seaters and shift to mainline aircraft. AA could have done the same but didn't. Neither has UA - but at least UA didn't just emerge from BK. AA did.

there is no excuse for AA continuing to hold onto as many RJs as they have which is resulting in them SHRINKING their mainline fleet while GROWING their regional carrier fleet.

no excuse other than that they have union contracts which provide no protection against it while DL which has few union restrictions is going in the opposite direction and bringing work back to its own people.

actions speak FAR louder than words.

 

[700UW]

 
 

DELTA PEOPLE, ALPA LOBBY CONGRESS ON EX-I’M BANK
February 25, 2015
Representatives from In-Flight Service, Flight Operations, Airport Customer Service and Delta Cargo will be visiting Members of Congress this week to voice their concerns about the U.S. Export-Import Bank.
The Ex-Im Bank harms U.S. airlines and their employees by subsidizing widebody aircraft purchases by foreign state-owned and supported carriers.
The multi-divisional group of Delta people will be urging more than 100 Members of Congress to enact reforms that will level the playing field for U.S. airlines.
ALPA representatives will be joining Delta to advocate for reform of the Ex-Im Bank. Roll Call Blog reported that ALPA’s president is making similar arguments to those used by Richard Anderson about the Bank’s aid to foreign carriers. At the same time, the International Association of Machinists (IAM) is lobbying in support of the Bank, and directly against Delta.
Airline employees have been advocating for reform of the Bank’s practice of providing guarantees for state-owned and supported foreign airlines to purchase widebody aircraft, which are then deployed against U.S. carriers on international routes. Those guarantees directly threaten U.S. airline jobs as state-owned and supported foreign carriers enjoy a significant financial advantage on international flights thanks to the Bank’s loan guarantees.
Most of the purchases backed by Ex-Im guarantees are to creditworthy foreign airlines that have access to commercial loans.
 
 
 

 
 

and that should surprise no one, BABA, because the IAM also represents Boeing employees.

So the Machinists union has picked who contributes the most to its pocketbook and is willing to turn its back on airline employees.

 
 
Well lookie here:
 
DL received over $20 million from the EX-IM bank for guarantees.
Looks like Richard Anderson is a hypocrite, no wonder why WF posts like he does:

http://www.exim.gov/customcf/congressionalmap/state_map.cfm…

 
Its all on page 2.
 
Got to love it!

 

[WorldTraveler]

it actually has been disclosed years ago and was discussed here because I opened the thread. the only hypocrite is you for thinking you have found something now.

the subsidies are for overhauls of Gol engines at TechOps.

If you want to argue that Gol is subsidized, use your pass benefits (oh wait you don't have any because you aren't an airline employee or retiree) and come to Brazil and tell Gol they are subsidized. They would love to find those subsidies about right now.

just go back to bed.... the more you open your mouth, the more you make a fool of yourself.

 

[700UW]

You didnt mention it in your zealousness to slam the IAM nor did Baba nor did DL, it shows their lack of credibility, you all try and slam the IAM yet DL is using the EX-IM bank.
 
You got caught out there.
 
You, Baba and DL are hypocrites.
 
So DL is fighting a battle and can lose work for its mechanics in their engine overhaul shops.
 
Yep thats looking out for the DL "family".
 
And I can fly where ever I want when I want.
 
You want to get personal?

 

[WorldTraveler]

We got caught at nothing.

You got caught at being stupid and acting like you are telling us something that wasn't already discussed and disclosed.

again, where are the subsidies for Gol? the only reason DL objects to Ex-IM is because it is a subsidy for carriers that aren't playing fair to begin with - the ME3. DL has had no objection to any African or Latin America airlines gaining Ex-IM financing.

again, you stuck your nose into an issue about which you are ignorant.

yes, let's get personal. I'd love to send you to the cornfield and I'd love to ensure that someone makes certain that you are either punished or the content is removed before it ever hits the web.

but you have always been willing to advance your own agenda at the expense of someone else, so go for it.

 

[700UW]

Buy the board then you can make the rules.
 
The only one with an agenda on here is you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't have to buy the board.

there are rules and I follow them.

including personal information is against the rule for everyone.

you are the one that seems to struggle with that concept--- but that isn't surprising since you refuse to accepta whole lot of other things including your stupid statement of the day that corporations aren't citizens.

 

[700UW]

Threatening Kevin, Dawg and Eric isnt following the rules.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I threatened no one.

I simply said that following the rules is not optional. There are mechanisms in place to ensure the rules are indeed followed, whether you can accept that or not.

 

[WeAAsles]

WT threatened to have me fired. Boo Hoo. I guess he thought I worked for DELTA where maybe he could make that happen?

NOT!!!!!