Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

I forgot to add
I'm not old. (at least....in my mind) 
 

Lol. Me either. Somedays I still think I'm 18...

 

[topDawg]

Lol. Me either. Somedays I still think I'm 18...

I drink to much beer to be 18 haha

 

[700UW]

The EIG cannot negotiate Pay, Benefits etc with DL.

 

[BABABOOY]

Just when this entire thread became somewhat civil, the outsider shows up smh

 

[700UW]

There is an ignore feature, if you dont like what someone posts use it.
 
This is an open forum, is that too hard to understand.
 
And DL's own policy is the EIG doesnt and cant negotiate for DL's FAs.

 

[BABABOOY]

Yawn

 

[700UW]

Yawn

Such an intelligence response.
 
One of your best posts yet.
 
And you posted you have the EIG, which EVERYONE at DL knows they cant negotiate work rules, pay, benefits, etc....

 

[Kev3188]

And DL's own policy is the EIG doesnt and cant negotiate for DL's FAs.

Point of order: Its actually banned under federal law...

 

[xUT]

Such an intelligence response.
 
One of your best posts yet.
 
And you posted you have the EIG, which EVERYONE at DL knows they cant negotiate work rules, pay, benefits, etc....

You are THE poster boy of why no one would want your union.
Keep on posting but don't be surprised when you fail.
B) xUT

 

[WorldTraveler]

Lets see
 
For me the 
D10
DC8
DC9(part one and part two) 
L10
727 
M11
310
 
edit to add 310

yep... your list should be the same as mine. apparently I counted too many blocks I passed instead of aircraft models. I forgot the M11 and D10.

How could I forget the flowing toilet river down the aisle M11 LAX-FRA diversion and cxl.

wait... I didn't work that flight from a desk in ATL.... contrary to what someone(s) think.

 

[southwind]

So translation that would be a no.
So explain to th forum that if you can't negotiate with DL how will you accomplish that?

So....in translation, explain to the forum, exactly wth your doing here, since you don't work for DL and"SUPPOSEDLY " do not represent the IAM?

Here just to stir the pot, since you hate the "Evil Corporations", is my guess!

 

[WorldTraveler]

and loves the money that DL FAs could potentially shovel into IAM coffers - somewhere north of $14M/ year is a good guess.

 

[700UW]

No dues money will be collected until the DL FAs ratify a CBA.
 
And that dues money will pay for the flight loss pay of the DL FAs who become representatives.

 

[diamondcutter]

I don’t know, Kevin, and as much as you and 700 might like to thank those are the right questions and considerations, I submit they are not.1. Sick time is a benefit that is intended to cover, well, sickness. You don’t insure a $200,000 house for $1 million and the insurance company probably won’t write a policy if you wanted to. Sick time benefits should cover the sick time that a person uses. Let’s be honest that sick time, just like every other benefit is not used equally. And let’s also be honest, or at least I will be, that there is and always will be a certain amount of misuse. Just as if you (collectively) insured your house for $800K over its value, there would be people who would look for people who would take advantage of the opportunity to gain something they should not. Sick time benefits should cover the amount of sick time that is needed. Not more.2. The extension of sick time benefits is disability programs. Those are not necessarily equal at all airlines and they are just as much of the protection program as is the size of your deductible on your homeowners insurance. How well do disability programs work in tandem with sick time?3. As much as you or anyone else wants to compare sick time benefits among airlines, and there is value in doing so, an equal consideration is what sick time benefits are in the private sector outside of airlines. Even 700 has been willing to admit that every benefit in a CBA costs money. If airlines offer sick time benefits that are beyond what the majority of people need but which are used by a minority of people, the MAJORITY pay for those benefits in other reduced benefits and pay elsewhere. Sick time is not cheap. The union wants to push maximum sick time but it never is willing to tell you how few people use it compared to the value of other benefits that could be provided if so much wasn’t spent on sick time.4. Let’s also be honest – or again I will be – that unions push for every benefit they can do that increases the potential number of workers….even abuse by 1% of FAs in a group as large as DL FAs translates into potentially hundreds more FAS. In contrast, they do not want any kind of PPT program and decry something that empowers an employee to make choice because choice means less that the union can negotiate.I don’t have the statistics for how much sick time DL FAs use compared to other workgroups compared to other airlines or compared to private industry.I can assure you that just like a dozen other topics that get discussed here, thinking the biggest sick time allowance is best is in fact likely a bad choice for a lot of people.

What a stupid comparison, a house does not get cancer!!!! And at many airlines when you quit or retire you cannot cash out those hours .

 

[WorldTraveler]

No dues money will be collected until the DL FAs ratify a CBA.
 
And that dues money will pay for the flight loss pay of the DL FAs who become representatives.

 of course there are no dues until a CBA starts - but even the IAM can figure out that you have to start that process at some time.

and if you think we will believe that $14M is solely compensation for DL FAs, you severely underestimate our math skills.

SOME of that money is a REDISTRIBUTION of wealth from those who do the work to those who have the power at DL, but the vast majority of the money goes to IAM national - including for stuff like the corporate jet.
 

What a stupid comparison, a house does not get cancer!!!! And at many airlines when you quit or retire you cannot cash out those hours .

then a comparable comparison would be if someone tried to buy a $5 million life insurance policy for a 45 year old with adult children and who makes $50K per year... that size of policy is far in excess of the potential earnings potential of that person which raises questions as to why so much coverage is needed.

whatever analogy you use, excess coverage of any type of insurance (and sick time benefits are a form of insurance against lost pay in the event of illness) costs the company which means those costs have to come from some other source - potentially in reduced benefits elsewhere.

further, for a lot of employees, that much sick time is far down the list of what they want - and they would prefer to have that money elsewhere.

no one has bothered to consider that massive sick time banks have costs or that they aren't the desired solution for a lot of employees who might want something else.