Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

And you still havent posted the data to back up your claim about grievances.
 
Admit you lied once again, we already know you have and will again.

 

[WorldTraveler]

It is as well known how successful airlines have been at throwing out grievances as it is that breathing air is a requirement for the survival of human beings.

Grievances are a "feel good" process that unions use to flex their muscles - while the companies continue to take away what they signed in a CBA they would provide.

If unions were as successful at doing what you think they do, the rate of unionization wouldn't be decreasing - but it is.

 

[700UW]

Like I said, you lied once again and immediately got called out on it.
 
Typical of you.

 

[700UW]

 

[robbedagain]

ok leo  the FACT is  since AA and US closed the merger, the IAM HAS PICKED UP MORE IN HOUSE WORK for BTW    NOW CAN YOU CLEARLY GRASP THAT??   You are flat out wrong .  You cant bec youre preciously beloved widget is STILL slamming cities with REDUCTIONS and LAYOFFS     Since the merger AA has not layed folks off  UNLIKE DL      UA is slightly different  but Ive already explained that as has other posters on here  Clearly  you CANNOT UNDERSTAND OR GRASP it  bec You are very much ANTI WORKER AND ANTI UNION   You can deny it all you want but your posts speak for itself. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

No UA is not slightly different. It is still an IAM represented carrier. The track record is there and theirs as much as they want to pretend otherwise

 

[yoyodyne]

ok leo  the FACT is  since AA and US closed the merger, the IAM HAS PICKED UP MORE IN HOUSE WORK for BTW    NOW CAN YOU CLEARLY GRASP THAT??   You are flat out wrong .  You cant bec youre preciously beloved widget is STILL slamming cities with REDUCTIONS and LAYOFFS     Since the merger AA has not layed folks off  UNLIKE DL      UA is slightly different  but Ive already explained that as has other posters on here  Clearly  you CANNOT UNDERSTAND OR GRASP it  bec You are very much ANTI WORKER AND ANTI UNION   You can deny it all you want but your posts speak for itself.

Don't worry robbed, your United moment is coming, compliments of the IAM and Parker, he is just playing nice at the moment, so that he can merge the abomination without as many hiccups...

 

[topDawg]

no, dawg, it is the product of a contentious labor -mgmt. environment that leaves employees WORSE OFF than those who have no CBAs. and companies' success in getting their way regardless of whether they screw the employees or not.
 

No WT, its the product of Delta not giving a crap about its employees and breaking a legal binding contract. You can make all the excuses you want, but its all horse crap. 
 
If ALPA is smart they take it to an arbitrator. The language is clear, he will rule in favor of ALPA and Delta will pay damages and be forced to comply
 
 
(again, ALPA doesn't have the guts to do it, but that is what they should do)  
 

You still clearly dont understand Section 6, the RLA and Collective Bargaining.
 
Of course they cant strike, they havent been released into a thirty cooling off period, and the IBT knows this.
 
Keep up the lies, misinformation and threats, your typical M.O.

Legally they can strike, check out the Norris-LaGaurdia act. 
I expect that injunction will be tossed out on appeal because of that.  

 

[WorldTraveler]

yeah, I do get what all the laws say.

What I also get is that airlines have repeatedly run roughshod over their CBAs and then settled grievances for a fraction of what it would have cost if they had coplied in the front.

and DL is doing nothing different than what other airlines or unionized companies do.

The notion that a union is going to force a company to comply is the only laughable part of the whole thing.

Don't worry robbed, your United moment is coming, compliments of the IAM and Parker, he is just playing nice at the moment, so that he can merge the abomination without as many hiccups...

^^what he said^^^^

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Why anyone continues to respond to this troll is baffling.

As the responses to its posts stop, so do the trolls posts.

If the moderators will not stop it, you must.

Put it on ignore, and stop responding to it!

 

[WorldTraveler]

...IOW you can't provide evidence that I what I have said is inaccurate.

Of course the grievance process simply results in airlines and other unionized companies running roughshod over CBAs so they can save more money than they would have spent if they had complied with the CBA.

 

[robbedagain]

yoyo  I do not think it will come down to that   but I could be wrong    but then again if the company wanted to come out with a dracion list of station closing what kind of pay increases and other benes would come   and that's even if it were to come let alone pass    for a company that's making billions upon on fees and other ways we should not have to give up anything  period.    what UA did was flat out wrong,   what the IAM UA leadership did was wrong too   but ultimately it goes to show that the membership there voted clearly for the money     US IAM did far better   scope enhancements wage increases with guaranteed wage hikes  not to mention signing bonus.    I believe the membership is going to be strong enough not to allow a UA type deal to come to fruition at the new AA      One major hold back now is whether or not the NMB is going to allow the IAM-TWU  similar to CWA-IBT   I have not heard any word since last yr     Parker wanted twu bad  and did not count on IAM and TWU to join up but he got his ass handed to him when that happened  so now he has to deal with the IAM for yrs to come.  

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you aren't wrong, it will be because Parker has changed the way he does business and there is no reason to think that will happen when he has used the same techniques at HP and US.

and let's be clear that the pilots and FAs are the only groups that have a JCBA and there are no definite dates for the rest of the company including yours to be resolved.

It is very, very possible that Parker could be content to treat the other workgroups just like what happened with the pilots - regardless of whether it was the unions who caused the problems or not.

If Parker doesn't want to deal with the IAM, all he has to do is keep dragging out the process.

but Parker has figured out what he has to do to get the company merged and he has taken care of the workgroups that are most likely to be problematic if they aren't solved.

And the global revenue environment is still weak for ALL US carriers and AA still has a $650 million currency impairment issue to deal with that no other carrier has.

Parker at some point has to either decide making Wall Street is important and avoid expenses or continue throwing money at labor in order to get the merger done which can easily still cost billions of dollars more.

and when that happens, the allure of what unions can do in the airline industry will be much more aligned with the reality of stalled negotiations at WN and headcount cuts at UA than the huge merger related pay increases that have taken place at AA in the pilot and FA workgroups.

 

[700UW]

The hold up is the NMB, has nothing to do with Parker.
 
Its amazing the level of misinformation you constantly post.

 

[topDawg]

yeah, I do get what all the laws say.

What I also get is that airlines have repeatedly run roughshod over their CBAs and then settled grievances for a fraction of what it would have cost if they had coplied in the front.

and DL is doing nothing different than what other airlines or unionized companies do.

The notion that a union is going to force a company to comply is the only laughable part of the whole thing.


^^what he said^^^^

Yeah, i mean thinking a company will comply with a legal binding contract is stupid. 
 
 
Why in the world would anyone think that..........