WorldTraveler said:
I guess you all have decided to disregard Kevin's request that this topic remain about FAs and ACS....at least you are consistent in not showing him respect just like you do for me.
Sorry kev, but i can't leave it alone when people post stuff that is completely and totally wrong.
WorldTraveler said:
no, what I get is that you and dawg want to define your own set of rules - LCCs aren't the same as legacies,
because they aren't. I don't expect an airline like WN to go out and build a maintenance base like AA/UA/DL have over night. WN has been slowly but surely adding more and more work in-house however.
WorldTraveler said:
AA and US aren't merged -anything to come up with a way to argue that DL is the villain that is mistreating its employees but in no way are you willing to accept responsibility for the fact that those carriers really do, legitimately not measuring up to what DL is doing in maintenance.
I'm not acting like anyone is a villain. AA and US haven't combined yet. You are hiding under the US contract but you are going to look like a gosh damn fool if AA takes the LAA scope, which means more work in-house than Delta does.
WorldTraveler said:
yes, AA could have built a hangar in the US to do overhauls on its 777s which it is now sending to Asia, right? and the merger has nothing to do with AA's decision?
the merger didn't have anything to do with that choice. Of course per the AA site, AA is bringing some of the 777 work back in-house, like they, AFAIK, did with the 757/767 fleets.
Having said that it sucks that AA sent that work out, but even with that, even with BK, they still do the majority of their work in-house.
WorldTraveler said:
or what reason are you going to come up with to excuse their outsourcing?
I don't excuse it at all.
WorldTraveler said:
and WN's level of outsourcing might eventually be accurately reflected in DOT data but for 2014 it is 58% which is within a couple percent of what it has run for years... and still far higher than DL.
I don't believe i have said any different. You asked for unions getting more work done in-house and I gave you two examples. WN went from zero overhauls in-house to 3-4 or lines. US went from unlimited outsourcing to 50% of heavies, some back shops and line work in-house.
WorldTraveler said:
they just happen to have built a business model that has include over 60% outsourcing for the 20 years of DOT data that is available.
so, no, the rules aren't different. WN flies the same Boeing jets that DL flies. They use the same gates at the same airports.
not a single thing you said has to do with maintenance. Nothing.
WorldTraveler said:
and AA and US are just as much the same company unless you would like to reset DL's outsourcing levels to what they were before the NW merger when it jumped so dramatically.
uh no. DL/NW are integrated. They have the same (lack of) scope clause. Seniority lists are done, elections are done etc. etc.
AA/US are not even in the same ball park. Talk to me when US/AA have a combined scope. Talk to me when AA/US have a combination plan.
WorldTraveler said:
and in your Teflon coated attempts at justifying why DL should be held to a standard that you won't hold anyone else to, you failed to include UA, whose maintenance is represented by unions and which has a level of outsourcing that is only a few percent lower than US.
I didn't include UA because unlike you i am not out to make everyone else look bad. IMHO i don't give a damn about United. I don't give a damn about American.
This all started by you asking if we would take a pay cut to bring work in. Yes I would take the very small pay cut that would cover bringing the bankruptcy work back in-house. The profit sharing from extra MRO contracts and all the overtime that would come from it would more than make up for small pay cut.
Then you went on a witch hunt and once again proved you don't have a clue about this issue. Good work.