Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

DL employees have CHOSEN to not be represented by unions.

Over and over and over again.

don't need data to figure out that if even a few pilots - who also post on internet chat forums - are unhappy with their insurance and the union can't do anything about it, then either the issue isn't near as big of a deal for the majority of pilots or the company is willing to offer more elsewhere.

Either way, the notion that a union can "Fix" high insurance costs is just another empty union promise that doesn't hold water when tested.

 

[700UW]

Companies cut and take away jobs, not a union.

So who is to blame at DL ACS when jobs are cut since they are non-union?

DFW, MCO, DTW, MSP, ANC, TPA, CVG, MEM, SLC and others, what union gave those jobs up at DL?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Again, there are more invalid union membership cards held by current DL employees than perhaps any other airline in the world.

DL people have chosen to NOT be represented .... for good reason.

 

[700UW]

No such thing as an invalid union membership card.

Care to make up more red herrings?
 
They all have a withdrawal card.
 

Companies cut and take away jobs, not a union.

So who is to blame at DL ACS when jobs are cut since they are non-union?

DFW, MCO, DTW, MSP, ANC, TPA, CVG, MEM, SLC and others, what union gave those jobs up at DL?
 

 

[WeAAsles]

He couldn't answer my comments and rolled back into his simple "tag lines"

Good enough for me.

 

[Kev3188]

No one should expect any different...

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

No such thing as an invalid union membership card.
Care to make up more red herrings?
 
They all have a withdrawal card.

 
you can tell us all of the procedural steps you want but the fact is that DL employees have chosen not to be represented by unions and have caused more union cards to no longer be valid than any other group of airline employees in the world....
 

He couldn't answer my comments and rolled back into his simple "tag lines"

Good enough for me.

... and what is good enough for Delta employees is securing the best future they can... and that does not include unions for the vast majority of DL employees.

what we should expect is that DL people will continue to be given the freedom to choose on their own and to not call them low information or uninformed because they don't happen to agree with a pro-union mindset.

 

[Kev3188]

IAM sure that many RRs would love to have the same benefits James currently enjoys.

 

[topDawg]

DL employees have CHOSEN to not be represented by unions.

Over and over and over again.

don't need data to figure out that if even a few pilots - who also post on internet chat forums - are unhappy with their insurance and the union can't do anything about it, then either the issue isn't near as big of a deal for the majority of pilots or the company is willing to offer more elsewhere.

Either way, the notion that a union can "Fix" high insurance costs is just another empty union promise that doesn't hold water when tested.

 once again you are proving you literally no idea how a union works.
The majority of the pilots voted in C12. Call it what you need to call it so your butt hurt doesn't come back, but the majority of the group felt it was good enough. 
So again, unless you have data from the ALPA survey(s) that show what the members put the most value in, then you are simply talking for no reason. 
 
 
Unions don't go from a bankruptcy contract to the best of the best overnight. It takes time. Expecting DALPA to basically get everything reversed or changed from the BK contract in two rounds of negos is amazingly stupid.
 
 
And you still haven't answered mine and 700 question. 

IAM sure that many RRs would love to have the same benefits James currently enjoys.

of course not. All of that is stupid.

RRs get profit sharing. Insurance, pensions, sick time, vacation etc are all dumb. All that matters is profit sharing

At least according to the guy sitting at home with Delta insurance and a pension check.

 

[WeAAsles]

Wow. Good for James. The phone rang and he was very lucky that the call was from the right company.

 

[WorldTraveler]

if he likes being a part of a company where the IAM permitted the company to close - what 20? - cities in the past 2 years and where part-time, split shifts are not only permitted but allowed, then I'm glad he is happy.

DL employees aren't interested.

 

[700UW]

They have a no furlough clause if someone wants to transfer, and they voted on their CBA and have a clear cut process.
 
You also keep failing to mention that the IAM just got 1,000 formally outsourced jobs back in house.
 
And still waiting for you to answer:
 

Companies cut and take away jobs, not a union.

So who is to blame at DL ACS when jobs are cut since they are non-union?

DFW, MCO, DTW, MSP, ANC, TPA, CVG, MEM, SLC and others, what union gave those jobs up at DL?
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and they voted to eliminate thousands of jobs and then you claim it a victory that the IAM made it possible for agents to bid against outsourcing companies to save their jobs - at a reduced salary.

Delta has not and never will make employees vote to cut their pay or jobs

The list of cities that AA has cut is just as long.

and there is absolutely no assurance that the US scope clause will remain in a JCBA.

 

[700UW]

and they voted to eliminate thousands of jobs and then you claim it a victory that the IAM made it possible for agents to bid against outsourcing companies to save their jobs - at a reduced salary.

Delta has not and never will make employees vote to cut their pay or jobs

The list of cities that AA has cut is just as long.

and there is absolutely no assurance that the US scope clause will remain in a JCBA.

 
 
No DL doesnt have to, as the majority of employees are employees at will and have no say in the workplace.
 
And you lied once again.
 
So your saying DL didnt use Section 1113 to make DL's pilots to negotiate concessions and vote on them or face abrogation?
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2006053101322_pf.html
 

-- A bankruptcy judge Wednesday approved the $280-million-a-year concessions agreement between Delta Air Lines Inc. and its pilots, rejecting claims by the government's pension insurer that it should receive the compensation the pilots were promised if their pension is terminated.
 

 
Do you really think you can post lies and get away with it?
 
 

 
Companies cut and take away jobs, not a union.

So who is to blame at DL ACS when jobs are cut since they are non-union?

DFW, MCO, DTW, MSP, ANC, TPA, CVG, MEM, SLC and others, what union gave those jobs up at DL?