Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

Delta NON-UNION people.

It is rather obvious that unions do have to vote.

You do remember that Kev has told you that this thread is about ACS and FAs, don't you?

What you won't admit is that unions are no better off in avoiding cuts and in a number of cases worse off than DL's non-union position.

but of course that is why the "grassroots efforts" about which you try to speak are really heavily union funded while the majority of actual DL employees have repeatedly said they aren't interested in unions.

 

[700UW]

You didnt state non-union in your original post.
 
And it would be against Federal Law, if DL had their non-union concessions voted on by the employees.
 
And you know this, you lied got caught again, and add a "qualifier" after three days of waiting for you to reply.
 
And you still havent answered if unions cut jobs, why did DL cut all those stations listed?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I didn't lie.

You LOVE to hypocritically try to find the gotcha with someone else while ignoring the blatant reality for yourself.


DL's current non-contract employees don't want unions - they have affirmed that in votes.

If unions had a compelling message, DL people would vote for a union and I would easily support whatever gets them the best outcome. It is precisely because there is nothing compelling about the union position that DL people themselves aren't interested in unions and made tens of thousands of union cards become invalid by their votes.

 

[700UW]

Keep ducking and dodging.
 
Your misinformation, fabricated facts and lies are exposed.
 
Are you that blinded you cant even comprehend what you post?

 

[topDawg]

..that's actually what the majority of DL people have been telling the union movement for years but they don't seem to get the message.

and, no I am for the people and their choice... that's what you and others can't seem to grasp. DL people don't want more unions and have said it over and over and over again.

when you have a JCBA and it is industry leading, let us know. I'm not the least bit afraid to acknowledge if a union gets one - but that just hasn't happened with the pilots or FAs and it is hard to believe that AA will all of a sudden provide it to the other workgroups

no you aren't. When the FAs almost had an election you were very up front about wanting Delta to punish them for it. 
 
You want what is good for the company and yourself. No one else matters. That is a fact, and your post history and butt hurt proves it. 
 

Delta NON-UNION people.

It is rather obvious that unions do have to vote.

You do remember that Kev has told you that this thread is about ACS and FAs, don't you?

What you won't admit is that unions are no better off in avoiding cuts and in a number of cases worse off than DL's non-union position.

but of course that is why the "grassroots efforts" about which you try to speak are really heavily union funded while the majority of actual DL employees have repeatedly said they aren't interested in unions.

can you prove how much money the IAM has put into the drive(s) at Delta as well as how much has been donated? 

 

[robbedagain]

great post dawg    nailed it on the head! 

 

[Kev3188]

You do remember that Kev has told you that this thread is about ACS and FAs, don't you?

...he said, after having just prattled on for many posts about pilots, and other carriers alike...

 

[WeAAsles]

Can "someone" tell me WHY Delta cut all those aforementioned stations? (And jobs)

 

[700UW]

THE FUTURE
Delta Vice President (DTW), John Fechushak, recently said, "The amazing thing about our culture is every year we stretch our customer service and operational goals and our employees respond by finding better, more efficient ways of hitting and exceeding the established goal and this year is no different."
 

On the ramp this means shorter amounts of time to deliver bags to claim, fewer drivers moving more transfer bags, working more gates and more flights with fewer workers. Doing more with less. Delta is telling us they have increased goals. When we hit those goals, they raise them again.
 
Every time a goal is increased it puts more pressure on us. It takes a bigger toll on our bodies. This means our bodies wear out more quickly. With no way to fight back, for an increasing number of us the future holds speed up, injury and an inability to continue working on the ramp.
 
It doesn't have to be that way. A strong and united workforce and union has many ways to challenge speed up and fight for a more humane rate of work.

 
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

dawg simply has to lie and manipulate what has been said in order to come to a conclusion that the democratic process is NOT good enough. Nowhere have I ever said that anything other than democracy should be the standard for the workplace environment that DL employees want. Repeatedly, they have said they don't want unions outside of the groups that have them - and none have been added except the very small number of people as part of the merger.

Again, the slippery logic of union salespeople is based on trying to accuse DL of actions that the unions themselves have done... when it is the TWU that just agreed to a one of the deeper level of cuts in stations alongside the IAM at UA - which happened outside of BK - unions can't argue that they have done anything of value ot DL employees without outright lying.

 

[700UW]

You are the boards pathological liar, you get caught over and over and yet you repeat the lie.
 
Seek some help.
 
And why did DL cut all those stations?
 
Since you said unions cut jobs and DL is non-union what happened?
 
And you clearly keep forgetting, one the IAM brought in 1,000 jobs this summer that were vendored out, and two the members vote on it, did DL ACS get to vote on any of their working conditions or negotiate them?

 

[Kev3188]

He doesn't care. He just wants you to keep posting.

 

[topDawg]

dawg simply has to lie and manipulate what has been said in order to come to a conclusion that the democratic process is NOT good enough.

first
hello pot
 
second where did I lie? exactly where did I lie? 
 
When the FAs almost had the election, YOU wanted Delta to (illegally mind you) pull their profit sharing and give them exactly what the AAs have. Call it what you want but it was butt hurt Leo Mullen style punishment. People like YOU are what has killed management/labor relations in this industry. You can't be an adult, you have to be a butt hurt child who takes his ball and goes home if you don't get what you want. 
 

Nowhere have I ever said that anything other than democracy should be the standard for the workplace environment that DL employees want. Repeatedly, they have said they don't want unions outside of the groups that have them - and none have been added except the very small number of people as part of the merger.

the problem is, if a group wants a union then you fly off the handle and want Delta to (illegally) punish them for it. 
 
So again, no you don't believe in democracy, you believe in doing whatever the best thing for Delta is. Not the employees, not labor. 
 

Again, the slippery logic of union salespeople is based on trying to accuse DL of actions that the unions themselves have done... when it is the TWU that just agreed to a one of the deeper level of cuts in stations alongside the IAM at UA - which happened outside of BK - unions can't argue that they have done anything of value ot DL employees without outright lying.

hmmmm oddly enough, true Delta did more outsourcing than those contracts. 13 stations, even the turd UA has gives them more stations.


Oh and one more time,
can you prove how much money the IAM has put into the drive(s) at Delta as well as how much has been donated?

 

[WorldTraveler]

We could start with your insinuations that I have anything to do with or any allegiance to any executives at DL, past, present, or future.

You and a whole lot of other people can't accept that DL's OWN PEOPLE have decided they don't want further unionization.

I predicted it would happen at the time of the NW merger.

Some of you can't accept that I was right and there simply is no sugarcoating the fact that I have been right

If that changes, by all means, let's go from there.

But to continue to paint me every color except the truth because you don't like what I have to say speaks far more loudly about you than me.

and yes there are federal documents - to which I have posted the file numbers -that show what the IAM has spent in pay (not just expenses) to Delta Air Lines employees.

I'm sure you and others will try to justify that expense somehow but I can't for the life of me figure why an active DL employee should be receiving pay from the IAM for any reason other than that they are paid organizers.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh look; a fishing expedition. Fun!