Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[Kev3188]

No votes for either group post-merger...

 

[700UW]

And when was the merger Kevin?

 

[Kev3188]

2008...

 

[WeAAsles]

Delta ramp employees who are a part of the Ready Reserve program are happy in that position and are not interested in bringing in a Union that will negotiate to try and get them better pay and benefits. They understand and are content with the understanding that their low wages are for the good of others who are not a part of that program. They will tell you to a man that they have no interest in being compensated better at the cost of that once a year pittance of a profit sharing check they get.

They know that Delta airlines cares about them and that any interloper Union can only be a bad thing that can mess up that relationship they have between them and their wonderful benefactor.

$12.00 per hour with no benefits is a good thing. It toughens a man up. Makes him have to get creative to live and pay those bills. Besides the fact that every one of them qualifies for Food Stamps. Why would they want the company to have to pay them when us taxpayers can foot the food bill instead?

No those Delta employees do not want change. Much better the way it is now.

 

[WeAAsles]

AA ramp has no Ready Reserve. All new hires are treated equally. All have the ability even if they want to stay part time to reach the top of the pay scale. And all of them have benefits as well.

We really must do something to change that in the future. We should negotiate a Ready Reserve program like Delta. That way I can get mine off the backs of others. I say we knock anyone with 10 years or less down to RR and take away those benefits. That way AA can still keep their profit sharing and I can make $30.00 per hour in the JCBA. All new hires should be RR for the first 10 years, then they go to the bottom of the A scale. And our scale is only 9 years. I say add 1 more year. So 20 years to reach what I make so I can get maybe even more.

Redistribution of wealth is the American capitalist way gentleman. I've put in my time. It's time for ME to reap the benefits. I'm voting YES to my proposition. Who cares if so many others wind up hating me. I'll sleep with a clear conscious.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh left out one thing. Any employee who gets to that 20 year threshold gets to choose whatever shift start time and days off he likes. The Ready Reserves will fill in the holes for the shifts us senior people don't want.

Yes yes I like it.

 

[700UW]

So if in seven years there has been no ramp vote and only two votes for the FAs, how is that saying DL employees continually vote against unions?

 

[Kev3188]

No ramp votes, & no FA votes post merger.

 

[700UW]

So how if there hasn't been a vote in over seven years how is that being continually voting against unions?

 

[Kev3188]

I imagine he meant historically...

 

[topDawg]

We could start with your insinuations that I have anything to do with or any allegiance to any executives at DL, past, present, or future.

calling it like I see it.

You and a whole lot of other people can't accept that DL's OWN PEOPLE have decided they don't want further unionization.

no i can accept it just fine.

I predicted it would happen at the time of the NW merger.

Some of you can't accept that I was right and there simply is no sugarcoating the fact that I have been right

so far that is correct. I have no problem with it at all.

If that changes, by all means, let's go from there.

and if it does you will want Delta to punish those employees and try as hard as they can to habe piss poor labor relations because you are butt hurt.
how about, if/when we get there, you don't act like a child.....

But to continue to paint me every color except the truth because you don't like what I have to say speaks far more loudly about you than me.

I just call it like I see it. You understand that NO ONE has said I'm wrong? At the end of the day you paint yourself in that color.

and yes there are federal documents - to which I have posted the file numbers -that show what the IAM has spent in pay (not just expenses) to Delta Air Lines employees.

You did not answer my question.

Can you or can't you prove how much money the IAM has spent on the union drive(s) at Delta Air Lines compared to how much donation money has been spent on those same union drives. Simple yes or no question.

If yes, please show your work.

I'm sure you and others will try to justify that expense somehow but I can't for the life of me figure why an active DL employee should be receiving pay from the IAM for any reason other than that they are paid organizers.

 I'm not paint anything or justifying anything.
Its basic math. I expect the IAM to pay some of the cost of a union drive. I also expect that the IAM will pay for its own people's expenses.

The problem is you are trying to make it some big issue and the only people it will be an issue for is the people (like you) who always toss **** against the wall praying that SOMETHING will stick.
when at the end of the day, only a complete FOOL would expect a union drive to be paid 100% by the people trying to organize.

As it is, like it or not, union drives are all "grassroots" multiple people at Delta have expressed interest at joining a union. I get that you don't understand (or don't want to understand) how things work, but the more you post the worse it makes you look.
 

The group who stood to gain millions in dues $$$.
 
Its not that hard to figure out.

for you it clearly is. 
 

Why not?

The IAM could cure cancer tomorrow, and the company would be the first in line to condemn it...

second, 
WT would be first.

 

[WorldTraveler]

All the I AM has to do is provide a compelling case for representing DL employees but they simply have not. Leave cancer cures to people who know how to do that.

DL people have no interest in further unions

And if you want to forget the past and nearly a dozen no votes as part of the merger then don't be surprised if DL people are even more emboldened that they want to ensure NW unions and labor relations are never seen at DL

 

[WeAAsles]

All the I AM has to do is provide a compelling case for representing DL employees but they simply have not. Leave cancer cures to people who know how to do that.
DL people have no interest in further unions
And if you want to forget the past and nearly a dozen no votes as part of the merger then don't be surprised if DL people are even more emboldened that they want to ensure NW unions and labor relations are never seen at DL

"BURP"

 

[700UW]

 

[WorldTraveler]

I can assure you that organ transplantation among other things would work just fine without IAM involvement.