Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[700UW]

Once again you are truly clueless, and ignorant how an organizing campaign works.
 
And it ironic the retiree from DL who was paid to leave is DL's main spokesman for anti-union rhetoric.
 
Thats your hypocrisy, you were not an FA nor had anything to do with organizing or unions.
 
And when are you going to answer Dawg on how much money DL spent and donated to the anti-cause?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the blood is on your hand.

DL employees don't receive pay from a union and then you get to call it grassroots

I do manage to find all kinds of things exactly like this that completely blow the message you work so hard to create.

and with paid IAM employees being the same people on DL's payroll, the reasons for the IAM having to pull the representation application seem more obvious by the day.
DL knows full well who is double dipping; they are just waiting for the DOJ to figure it out and show the blood on the IAM's hands.

almost $20K in SALARIES - not even including expenses - to 2 DL employees is a nice little side job.

 

[WeAAsles]

the blood is on your hand.DL employees don't receive pay from a union and then you get to call it grassrootsI do manage to find all kinds of things exactly like this that completely blow the message you work so hard to create.and with paid IAM employees being the same people on DL's payroll, the reasons for the IAM having to pull the representation application seem more obvious by the day.DL knows full well who is double dipping; they are just waiting for the DOJ to figure it out and show the blood on the IAM's hands.almost $20K in SALARIES - not even including expenses - to 2 DL employees is a nice little side job.

"BURP" Bad gas.

 

[WeAAsles]

Welcome to the boards Lucky777.
 

I can't not like a guy with the same name as me.

Good for you Dave.

 

[700UW]

 

[robbedagain]

what I cannot understand is why the mods on here continue to delete some of the posts from better fine folks yet they allow WT and his bs to go on and on and on and on like the energizer bunny rabbit   Its fathomable how they let him do as he pleases  and nail the rest of us   and this despite that a number of his posts have been reported and nothing to date is done about it   This forum has become a real joke   

 

[Kev3188]

I'd have to look, but I believe my dues were $46/mo. at the end?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

3sh,
this is the DL forum and the organizing climate does matter here.

While it is true that you brought an example where a union has been decertified, one example involving 17 people is clearly an anomaly and cannot be viewed as the norm.

If unions could easily be decertified, this board would have a whole lot less traffic esp. on the AA forum given the extraordinary displeasure for the TWU that is regularly voiced.

It is also noteable that the case shows that other Allegiant workgroups would like to get rid of their unions but have not succeeded.

Given that no other large airline workgroup has succeeded and the best case is a group of 17 employees, then impossible may be the wrong word but being anywhere close to normal to accomplish is indeed accurate.

 
More absurdity I see ...
 
You were proven wrong, and since you cannot refute the facts of the matter you're now making a laughably ridiculous attempt to try and marginalize my example.
 
Your entire premise is flawed - 17 people or 17,000 people makes no difference - Allegiant airlines collected cards, petitioned the NMB, had an election, and had their CBA decertified - ALL PER NMB RULES & REGULATIONS. 
 
JUST - AS - ANY - OTHER - AIRLINE - MEMBERSHIP - IS - FREE - TO - DO.
 
Just because they haven't done it in no way equates to "THEY CAN'T DO IT" The rules are the same.
 
Just because you are obviously ignorant of the rules governing union elections/decertifications, that has absolutely no bearing on the difficulty of obtaining one. Further, your pathetic attempt to use the discord at AA with the TWU is sheer and utter nonsense. It is obscenely obvious that the vast majority who want out of the TWU still want union representation.
 
Nice Try   

 

[Kev3188]

I'd have to look, but I believe my dues were $46/mo. at the end?

I just went and looked; they were $47.00...

 

[Kev3188]

THS--

I think a lot of people conflate dissatisfaction with a current Union with not wanting to be represented at all. It's easy to do, and even easier for anti-labor groups to make into an easy sound bite.

 

[700UW]

the blood is on your hand.

DL employees don't receive pay from a union and then you get to call it grassroots

I do manage to find all kinds of things exactly like this that completely blow the message you work so hard to create.

and with paid IAM employees being the same people on DL's payroll, the reasons for the IAM having to pull the representation application seem more obvious by the day.
DL knows full well who is double dipping; they are just waiting for the DOJ to figure it out and show the blood on the IAM's hands.

almost $20K in SALARIES - not even including expenses - to 2 DL employees is a nice little side job.

 
Blood on my hands?  Save it.
 
District Lodge 142 and the International are quite aware any money paid for salary and expenses has to be reported to the DOL and know quite well it will be public record, nothing to hide, can you say the same for DL?
 
Still waiting for you to answer Dawg's question, how much did DL spend vs the IAM?
Another red herring, a non-smoking gun.
 
You really make yourself look foolish when you post about things that you have no clue or idea about, and organizing is one of them

 

[Albert]

I just went and looked; they were $47.00...

I was on the bus with a senior DL employee the other night as we passed the DL freight office I asked why he didnt bid the freight job to stay out of the weather. He said all those jobs are Ready Reserve. Just when I  was going to say why are you are giving easy jobs to the junior people  I realized  that AA and US freight operations are contracted out to a vendor. So who is better off ?

 

[700UW]

The difference is AA and US both lost freight in bankruptcy and have the ability to negotiate and try and get it back, unlike DL employees who cant.
 
And DL has very large operations at CLT, MIA and RDU and they are vendored out, unlike the new AA.

 

[Albert]

The difference is AA and US both lost freight in bankruptcy and have the ability to negotiate and try and get it back, unlike DL employees who cant.
 
And DL has very large operations at CLT, MIA and RDU and they are vendored out, unlike the new AA.
 

Are you sure here at LGA I thought we lost catering and the  air freight office before bankruptcy we just had runners. Also in the 80s DL got rid of Cabin service and absorbed the employees into fleet service. When US lost the cleaners they were out in the street They hired vendors some represented by guess....  thats right the IAM. 700 I didnt just fall off the turnip truck

 

[700UW]

PMUS still does catering at the hubs and large stations.
 
We lost utility, I was on the Negotiating Committee, and they were all offered preferential hiring on the ramp, some took those jobs while others went back to stores, or went to work for the vendor.
 
Our CBA was abrogated, Judge made the members vote on the final offer, do you remember that?
 
DL only had 12 mainline ramp stations, IAM represented NWA Ramp had 40, DL only had 12 stations, has only cut jobs and stations while PMUS has added.
 
The new AA has 50 staffed mainline ramp stations, DL has less than that.
 
DL has not brought back line any stations since the merger of NW and DL, but they have certainly outsourced.
 
Freight was lost at US before the ramp was union, so dont let the facts get in your way.
 
I didnt fall off the turnip truck either.