Iam 141 Contract

[28yrsnojob]

Right now is the time for the IAM to make a deal to keep all contracted
and soon to be contracted ramps in their hands and they are screwing it up . if they get them then they will have about 6000 union paying
FSA.

 

[us10]

Transportation NewsWire
IAM Transportation Department
General Vice President Robert Roach, Jr.
9000 Machinists Place
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
http://transportation.goiam.org
January 10, 2005
IAM Members to Vote at US Airways
The cavernous U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Alexandria, VA was filled to
capacity as Judge Stephen Mitchell delivered the order granting US Airways’1113
© motion to terminate labor agreements covering nearly 8,500 IAM members at
the nation’s seventh largest airline. The order covers Fleet Service workers in
District 141 and Mechanic & Related and Maintenance Training Specialists in
District 142.
The judge directed both US Airways and the IAM to maintain status quo,
however, and his order will not take effect until voting by IAM members is
completed on a pair of “final offersâ€￾ and one tentative agreement reached with the
company. The Fleet Service Negotiating Committee received a final offer from the
company on Jan. 5 and the Mechanic & Related committee received their final offer
on Jan. 6.
Each District also reached agreements to modify, but not eliminate, retiree
insurance benefits.
Full details of the company’s offers and an explanation will be provided to
members prior to voting. Ratification and strike authorization voting is expected to
be completed by Jan. 21.
If the offers are approved, they will become the new collective bargaining
agreements. If the offers are rejected, the collective bargaining agreements would
be dissolved and the company’s “final offerâ€￾ would be withdrawn. The company
would then impose whatever pay, benefits and working conditions it chooses.

 

[workngd]

To those of you that disagree with this so called proposal and contract modification, I agree with you. Even though I work in a hub I totally disagree with this and WILL vote NO tomarrow. Unfortunatly, the people I work with will save their own A$$ at the sake of others. You dont know how many times I have heard people say they would do other peoples jobs to save their own. It makes me sick. Hopefully PHL, PIT and DCA can override the CLT vote. Don't forget to get out and vote because hopefully a difference can be made. We all know this company hates their workforce. Its all about the top brass. :down:

 

[wings396]

I am hearing that there have been some modifications the the FSA offer from the Company. I didn't get it all, but it appears that the MLE Classification will be done away with. The existing MLE stations will become Class 2, and/or on the list that may be contracted out.

 

[Justaramper]

workngd..
Yes it does stink, but what do you think will happen when you vote NO...? Will it get any better...?

I guess you weren't here in 1989, when we voted out the IBT and paid a heavy price for 10 yrs.

If you were here, take a memory pill and reflect on what we lost in those years, as it WILL happen again and a NO vote will be the reason.

Voting because you're angry will not help anyone in Fleet Service.

I don't like voting YES, but I'll take what I can see and not the crystal ball.

 

[unit4clt]

Justaramper,

Typical IAM type response. In case you have forgotten the IAM has been FSA bargaining agent since 1994. But don't let the facts get in your way while trying to spread typical IAM/company FUD. A NO vote means more work for IAM.....and less certainty of dues.

 

[Kev3188]

Voting because you're angry will not help anyone in Fleet Service.

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Voting out of fear doesn't help anyone either....

 

[Bob Owens]

Justaramper,Jan 13 2005, 06:54 AM]
workngd..
Yes it does stink, but what do you think will happen when you vote NO...? Will it get any better...?

If you vote yes it will only continue to get worse at least until 2011.
I guess you weren't here in 1989, when we voted out the IBT and paid a heavy price for 10 yrs.

If you were here, take a memory pill and reflect on what we lost in those years, as it WILL happen again and a NO vote will be the reason.

Have you compared what you lost with no union to what you are losing with one? Factor in inflation and dues to see where your wages really are. Did you factor in how much your real wage will continue to decrease by 2011? You were probably better off pay wise in 89 than you will be in 2011. I know that mechanics were leaving AA at around that time for better pay and benifits at USAIR.Voting because you're angry will not help anyone in Fleet Service.

I don't like voting YES, but I'll take what I can see and not the crystal ball.

You dont need a crystal ball. Look at what past concessions have accomplished. Why would "this" result be any different. They will simply come back for more later. Dont say well this is the last time because that is probably what you said the last time.

With a yes vote you will see six years of declining real pay and still face the possiblity of liquidation.

With a no vote there are many things that can happen, some good, some bad.

The company could liquidate, but you could also end up with a better agreement sometime before 2011.

With a no vote there is the possibility that you could be making more in the future while with a yes vote you are guaranteeing that if USAIR survives you will be making less in real dollars than you are today.

Even if you leave USAIR the effects of what is done there will have the effect of lowering wages everywhere. So if you vote YES then you are in effect voting to have a lower wage at your next employer too.

 

[Justaramper]

Bob..
I'll take what I see and NOT pin my hopes on this company being kind to me. I saw what happened in 1989 and I'm not wanting to see it again.

I don't have a whole lot of love for the IAM, but it is our union and all facts considered, I'll vote YES

 

[unit4clt]

Justaramper,

FSA's have lost far more under so-called Iam representation, than we ever lost NON-Union. The IAM and company are a perfect match. Company has took pay, retirement contributions, vacations, sick time,jobs etc......all with apparent IAM cooperation, in fact all catagories will be less than when the IAM was elected.
For these reasons the IAM will lose even more members!

 

[mweiss]

Even if you leave USAIR the effects of what is done there will have the effect of lowering wages everywhere. So if you vote YES then you are in effect voting to have a lower wage at your next employer too.[/color]

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Speaking of voting out of fear...

Talk to the people who left US after the last round of concessions. They're happier, less stressed out, and in many cases making significantly more than they were when they left US.

The fact is, if you believe that the company will fold either way, you're better off voting Yes, taking the severance, and getting the unemployment benefits, than you would be in voting No and getting nothing.

That "you" didn't mean you, Bob. You don't get to vote.

Now, if you (that's the un-Bob "you") believe that the company will survive either way, you might want to roll the dice and vote No, or you might want to play it safe and vote Yes. That takes a crystal ball (a No vote takes some others, too 🙂).

If you believe that the company will fail under a No vote, but survive under a Yes vote, it's a much tougher call. That's when you have to do the serious soul searching.

 

[28yrsnojob]

THis is crazy there making all existing MLE cities level II,with the provision of being contracted out alone with the other 21 cities. Nothing
like voting yourself out of a job.

 

[a320av8r]

I guess what it all boils down to is this:
Vote yes and get work in PIT and CLT, in house A320, severence for those who are furloughed, etc...
Vote no and get nothing since the court will impose work rules that are far less generous.
You can say strike all day, but if it is legal and if you do strike, the company will only need about 500 mechanics.
No matter what you might say- there is no problem getting that many just in non-union supervisors and those that would choose to come to work.
I have no dog in this fight I really don't care what you do, these are just my thoughts.


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It not not morally wrong, an affront to God, or a threat to Homeland Security to question George W. Bush's destructive policies.

 

[Bob Owens]

mweiss,Jan 13 2005, 06:36 PM]

The fact is, if you believe that the company will fold either way, you're better off voting Yes, taking the severance, and getting the unemployment benefits, than you would be in voting No and getting nothing.

Well the company has lied before. What is to stop them from renegging on the severance? Get nothing? Such as? If you are being laid off then your prospects of landing another job in aviation are better if USAIR no longer exists, you didnt mention that did you Mike? I've been there before, have you? The guy who was junior to you is now senior to you because he got laid off and started at the new place before you. It happens all the time in this industry. You also did not mention that a NO vote does not automatically translate into strike but if they vote yes they have established the rate till 2011.

That "you" didn't mean you, Bob. You don't get to vote.

Neither do you Mike, the quote at the bottom of my posts makes that obvious. So who do you work for? What brings you here?

 

[Bob Owens]

Justaramper,

FSA's have lost far more under so-called Iam representation, than we ever lost NON-Union.  The IAM and company are a perfect match.  Company has took pay, retirement contributions, vacations, sick time,jobs etc......all with  apparent IAM cooperation, in fact all catagories will be less than when the IAM was elected.
For these reasons the IAM will lose even more members!

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While I've been critical of the IAM, in all fairness, after reading what the company is looking to take away this time some of the blame for your losses lie with the TWU. Some of the concessions you guys have only recently given were given by the TWU over 20 years ago, your unions resisted doing what the TWU did for 20 years. For that they deserve some credit.

You see in 2003 after the TWU saw what you and UAL gave up they decided to beat your concessions, they gave up most of what USAIR is seeking in their third round in the very first round while the company still had over $1billion in cash and was not even bankrupt. TWU officials are already over on the AA page preparing the members for round two, the round that will put USAIR to rest because no matter how low you go down there in PHL, Pitt and CLT the TWU will make sure that the boys in Tulsa and Kansas City will go lower.