IAM Fleet Service topic 28June-

[roabilly]

I’m not sure what kind of kaleidoscope glasses some of these folks view their reality through. The fact of the matter is quite simple... the company is doing what was AGREED to in the FSA. I my memory serve’s me correctly, most of the west posters were PRO ratification,

Now... amazingly after the company begins doing what they agreed to... it’s the IAM’s fault! It is obvious some posters are here to keep the east west division alive. Just as obvious would be the rationale...divide and conquer!


So powers up and arms the thirty mike mike...

BroBilly

 

[VegasGambler]

Gambler,

As you are in LAS (and according to my furloughed source in LAS now living on a beach somewhere), you can confirm that those FSA who were furloughed six months ago did not have the luxury of CLT, but instead given the options of PHL and DCA? Any bets the CMH agents were mostly East and the West guys got screwed over again? There is a reason as to why West and PHX does not trust the IAM, because it is an "East First" mentality. I doubt PHL or DCA was the first choice of many furloughed in LAS or the West... Maybe my Beach Bumming friend, Cream Horn, may confirm? Maybe you might confirm?

So Queries Jester.

From what I was told the following cities were on the list MSY RDU CLT DEN ORD PHL DCA and I think one or 2 others. Since a large amount of workers opted for furlough and not continue employment at another base many first choices were open. I think the number was about 20 that took the option to relocate.

 

[necigrad]

he emailed me something about how the LAS "fence" has a new hole in it for East guys to transfer into LAS even though there are HUNDREDS of furloughed agents awaiting recall because they came in as team leads with high seniority. No Team Leads were furloughed from LAS?

Read your contract Jester. Your answer lies there.

And for the record, your "hole" has permitted West agents to transfer to LAS as well.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

From what I was told the following cities were on the list MSY RDU CLT DEN ORD PHL DCA and I think one or 2 others. Since a large amount of workers opted for furlough and not continue employment at another base many first choices were open. I think the number was about 20 that took the option to relocate.

1 FT got DFW, the others are all going to CLT. Get ready for smiles and cheer, CLT! 😛

 

[orioleman]

Jester ,
I would quote a saying from SNL from the 70's with Bill Murray and Jane Curtain . it starts with
"Jane You" I'll leave it at that.

To my knowledge most if not ALL of CMH was WEST employees .. 28L maybe you can give some incite
so there is no lets protect these EAST guys over WEST.. H*LL CLT is getting more Western every
month and WE WELCOME them. Just call and ask any of the guys that are in CLT . As far as your
Creamhorn persona . It's just that your little make believe friend. I guess now you will go get another
IP address and come on here as him . so be it. But Let me make this clear one more time to
your deaf ears. The company is following the Agreement that you "Preached to high heaven about
signing" so stop your rants about the UNION cause it has nothing to do with them or the leadership
THIS MEMBERSHIP (that would also be you) SIGNED and AGREED to the POS so live with it.

For the CMH folks coming to CLT .. Welcome IF there is anything we can do please step up and ask.
80% of those in CLT came from somewhere else.

OOOOH and by the way .. there is NO and I repeat NO such thing as a Team Lead..
we are Lead Agents . and we bid by Seniority.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I’m not sure what kind of kaleidoscope glasses some of these folks view their reality through. The fact of the matter is quite simple... the company is doing what was AGREED to in the FSA. I my memory serve’s me correctly, most of the west posters were PRO ratification,

Now... amazingly after the company begins doing what they agreed to... it’s the IAM’s fault! It is obvious some posters are here to keep the east west division alive. Just as obvious would be the rationale...divide and conquer!


So powers up and arms the thirty mike mike...

BroBilly

BroBilly:
You my good friend hit the nail on the head. And fyi Jester we have people in Clt who came in here from LAS, I work with them & they are great so sir you are wrong. You've pretty much proved to us here that you are management & not IAM.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

To my knowledge most if not ALL of CMH was WEST employees .. 28L maybe you can give some incite
so there is no lets protect these EAST guys over WEST.. H*LL CLT is getting more Western every
month and WE WELCOME them. Just call and ask any of the guys that are in CLT . As far as your
Creamhorn persona . It's just that your little make believe friend. I guess now you will go get another
IP address and come on here as him . so be it. But Let me make this clear one more time to
your deaf ears. The company is following the Agreement that you "Preached to high heaven about
signing" so stop your rants about the UNION cause it has nothing to do with them or the leadership
THIS MEMBERSHIP (that would also be you) SIGNED and AGREED to the POS so live with it.

I am NOT creamhorn or jester. I will PM you my cell phone number and you can call me if you so wish.

I never preached about signing the agreement and, in fact, voted NO.

You are wrong about CMH. The majority of the rampers were former east. The most senior is a former Allegheny guy ( a super great person) who started in 1972. There are very senior guys who were formerly from Piedmont at DAY. Another hailed from PSA. It's a very senior station and and the full-timers have topped out on pay long ago. Many of these guys are taking retirement now. Some of these old guys have been ravaged by years of toil on the ramp and can hardly walk.

As an aside, ALL of these very senior east guys voted for the agreement with the belief that they would be protected from outsourcing until 2012...

 

[Jester]

I guess you need to go back to the Pilot's thread where you posted the question to me, and whola, the answer you sought is there, and has been there for a while.

I will be looking for your apology.l

700UW,

Let's do the Reader's Digest version... You claimed that it was not a violation of a CBA to give "you" (your word) higher pay than what the CBA demands. I asked a hypothetical example about a fictional former Pan Am flight attendent who was fluent in a half dozen languages, recieved many awards for customer service, paramedic, etc. and if that person could be paid more than than the new hire rate given their extensive experience and reputation. And my question was simple... when you said "you" were you referring to the individual (as in the former Pam Am flight attendent) or did you mean "you" as in a collective work group? Instead you pulled another artful dodger in no mention of the hyothetical new hire, because "you" would have been wrong in that the CBA will not allow a singular "you" to be rewarded based upon merit outside of the occasional A&B bonus.

Now are you going to correct me about "you" or going to offer your own apology?

So Bristles Jester.

 

[Jester]

Jester ,
I would quote a saying from SNL from the 70's with Bill Murray and Jane Curtain . it starts with "Jane You" I'll leave it at that.

To my knowledge most if not ALL of CMH was WEST employees .. 28L maybe you can give some incite so there is no lets protect these EAST guys over WEST.. H*LL CLT is getting more Western every month and WE WELCOME them. Just call and ask any of the guys that are in CLT . As far as your Creamhorn persona . It's just that your little make believe friend. I guess now you will go get another IP address and come on here as him . so be it. But Let me make this clear one more time to your deaf ears. The company is following the Agreement that you "Preached to high heaven about signing" so stop your rants about the UNION cause it has nothing to do with them or the leadership THIS MEMBERSHIP (that would also be you) SIGNED and AGREED to the POS so live with it.

For the CMH folks coming to CLT .. Welcome IF there is anything we can do please step up and ask. 80% of those in CLT came from somewhere else. OOOOH and by the way .. there is NO and I repeat NO such thing as a Team Lead.. we are Lead Agents . and we bid by Seniority.

O-man,

One month I am Management, next month I am Cream Horn... it would appear that I am being demoted in stature. I was hoping to be Doug Parker or even Ed Beauvais at this point, but instead I am going the way of Larry LeSueur... egads!

Now as I need to correct My Dear Friend, Mr. Roabilly, when he practices intellectual dishonesty, especially as it relates his objections to the ratified T.A., so must you be called to task. Kindly sir, please cite me anywhere on this message board where YOU and any other objectors to the T.A. cited the LANGUAGE of the contract being weak as it relates to the attendance, station subcontracting, or other matters. Point of fact, the objectors to the T.A. cited the lack of pay increases mostly. The "protections" of stations in the TWU CBA was misleading as it did not prevent flights from being reduced and furloughs ensuing.

Now it would appear that the CBA language is weak, and now many are questioning management's carte blanche writing of attendance and the ability for management to contract out stations before 2012. Let's be honest between us girls, O-man... if the T.A. offered $35/hour topped-out pay, you would have jumped on that like a chicken on a june bug, and STILL had the same vague language! So spare me your intellectual dishonesty about how you "warned" everyone because the issues you raised then has NOTHING to do with the problems now... CMH would still be "Jetstreamed" and the Attendance Policy would still be thinning the ranks.

Allow me to repeat myself from prior discussions... so long as we continue to have the same uneducated Executive Committee and the same inept legal counsel which allowed the weak CBA language in the first place, it does not matter who is in charge of the IAM, because management will continue to beat us in the courts and arbitration. It is "Amateur Hour" at the IAM while we attempt to battle against sophisticated, educated, experienced and successful professionals. So there's the cold shower reality I bring to you... now go back to chugging beer, eating brats, back slapping, electing each other while eschewing an intelligent alternative to our morass of failure.

So Tasks Jester.

P.S. I guess 28L confirmed what I said that CMH was mostly an East station... you don't need to apologize.

 

[700UW]

Jester,

If you read the two posts that I replied to you I stated

"They would have to increase the rate to the same pay for everyone in that step"

Also the company did that for fleet service several years ago, they paid new hires and one year step employees more than the scale in the cba.

I provided the information all ready to you.

 

[Jester]

Jester,

If you read the two posts that I replied to you I stated

"They would have to increase the rate to the same pay for everyone in that step"

Also the company did that for fleet service several years ago, they paid new hires and one year step employees more than the scale in the cba.

I provided the information all ready to you.

700UW,

Thank-you for your readily cogent reply... so it is "you" only as a collective as in "for everyone in that step", not for an individual "you" based upon extensive experience and reputiation. I guess this just solidifies my general dislike of unions, as they cannot reward individual achievements or accomplishments without rewarding the collective as a whole, deserving or otherwise.

So Remains Jester.

 

[700UW]

It is apparent you have no concept of what a union is all about.

It is not a unions job to reward a member.

A member is rewarded by having a CBA, do you think you would be working for US if you didnt have a union?

Ask the former East employees what US did to them in 1992 because they were non-union without a CBA.

A trade union (British English) or labor union (American English) is an organization of workers who have banded together to achieve common goals such as better working conditions. The trade union, through its leadership, bargains with the employer on behalf of union members (rank and file[1] members) and negotiates labour contracts (collective bargaining) with employers. This may include the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of workers, benefits, workplace safety and policies. The agreements negotiated by the union leaders are binding on the rank and file members and the employer and in some cases on other non-member workers.

If you dont like unions, go work for a non-union company.

And the highest paid employees of the industry is WN, they also are the most profitable and highest percentage of unionized employees.

 

[roabilly]

Now as I need to correct My Dear Friend, Mr. Roabilly, when he practices intellectually dishonesty, especially as it relates his objections to the ratified T.A., so must you be called to task. Kindly sir, please cite me anywhere on this message board where YOU and any other objectors to the T.A. cited the LANGUAGE of the contract being weak as it relates to the attendance, station subcontracting, or other matters. Point of fact, the objectors to the T.A. cited the lack of pay increases mostly. The "protections" of stations in the TWU CBA was misleading as it did not prevent flights from being reduced and furloughs ensuing.

Allow me to repeat myself from prior discussions... so long as we continue to have the same uneducated Executive Committee and the same inept legal counsel which allowed the weak CBA language in the first place, it does not matter who is in charge of the IAM, because management will continue to beat us in the courts and arbitration. It is "Amateur Hour" at the IAM while we attempt to battle against sophisticated, educated, experienced and successful professionals. So there's the cold shower reality I bring to you... now go back to chugging beer, eating brats, back slapping, electing each other while eschewing an intelligent alternative to our morass of failure.

So Tasks Jester.

P.S. I guess 28L confirmed what I said that CMH was mostly an East station... you don't need to apologize.

Jester...

If nothing else you are entertaining... Intellectual Dishonesty? You can ask anyone that knows me... I’ve never told a lie that wasn’t true... I’ve never drank a brat while eating beer... nor have I ever slapped an election while eschewing an intelligent alternative!

In terms of your perspectives regarding Fleet Service IAM matters... I still sit astounded! My first inclination would be that a man of your intellect and educational prowess would have little to no interest in the matters of a mundane subject such as Baggage Handlers and their Union.

Things just don’t add up... my guess would be that if we were to create an online forum on the 141 site... that requires a confirmed IAM member user profile that is password protected... you may a have a little difficulty logging on... wink...wink...

Don’t worry... Me ‘n O-Man will keep you up to date!

So adjusts the windage...

BroBilly

 

[charlie Brown]

O-man,

One month I am Management, next month I am Cream Horn... it would appear that I am being demoted in stature. I was hoping to be Doug Parker or even Ed Beauvais at this point, but instead I am going the way of Larry LeSueur... egads!

Now as I need to correct My Dear Friend, Mr. Roabilly, when he practices intellectual dishonesty, especially as it relates his objections to the ratified T.A., so must you be called to task. Kindly sir, please cite me anywhere on this message board where YOU and any other objectors to the T.A. cited the LANGUAGE of the contract being weak as it relates to the attendance, station subcontracting, or other matters. Point of fact, the objectors to the T.A. cited the lack of pay increases mostly. The "protections" of stations in the TWU CBA was misleading as it did not prevent flights from being reduced and furloughs ensuing.

Now it would appear that the CBA language is weak, and now many are questioning management's carte blanche writing of attendance and the ability for management to contract out stations before 2012. Let's be honest between us girls, O-man... if the T.A. offered $35/hour topped-out pay, you would have jumped on that like a chicken on a june bug, and STILL had the same vague language! So spare me your intellectual dishonesty about how you "warned" everyone because the issues you raised then has NOTHING to do with the problems now... CMH would still be "Jetstreamed" and the Attendance Policy would still be thinning the ranks.

Allow me to repeat myself from prior discussions... so long as we continue to have the same uneducated Executive Committee and the same inept legal counsel which allowed the weak CBA language in the first place, it does not matter who is in charge of the IAM, because management will continue to beat us in the courts and arbitration. It is "Amateur Hour" at the IAM while we attempt to battle against sophisticated, educated, experienced and successful professionals. So there's the cold shower reality I bring to you... now go back to chugging beer, eating brats, back slapping, electing each other while eschewing an intelligent alternative to our morass of failure.

So Tasks Jester.

P.S. I guess 28L confirmed what I said that CMH was mostly an East station... you don't need to apologize.

Jester
While I have to say that many of your post are very interestiing to say the least, you still amaze me when you talk about the t/a and say how the IAM folks never told the membership about the language or the attendance policy or the weak verbage in the present contract. You are totally correct my friend. But what you need to remember is that those people are no longer in charge, they were replaced. And I can tell you for sure that many of the people on here from clt that are on this board now, did go around and tell fleet about the bad parts of this t/a. Thats why clt voted it down. The Union leadership that was in place (that only told the good about the t/a to try and sale it) has been replaced. I feel confident that we have people in place now, that will tell us the good and bad of any agreement in the future, which is what always should be done. But your accusations on how the current leadership of the IAM never said anything about the t/a falls short, because they werent in place.

 

[roabilly]

Jester
While I have to say that many of your post are very interestiing to say the least, you still amaze me when you talk about the t/a and say how the IAM folks never told the membership about the language or the attendance policy or the weak verbage in the present contract. You are totally correct my friend. But what you need to remember is that those people are no longer in charge, they were replaced. And I can tell you for sure that many of the people on here from clt that are on this board now, did go around and tell fleet about the bad parts of this t/a. Thats why clt voted it down. The Union leadership that was in place (that only told the good about the t/a to try and sale it) has been replaced. I feel confident that we have people in place now, that will tell us the good and bad of any agreement in the future, which is what always should be done. But your accusations on how the current leadership of the IAM never said anything about the t/a falls short, because they werent in place.

I hear yahh CB...

Just remember it’s the entire IAM entity that is getting verbally indicted here... the Leadership... both past and present are getting included and excluded depending on the theme of the post!