IAM Fleet Service topic

[john john]

you have to contribute your own salary into a 401k.

Wrong

non-elective contribution

 

[john john]

Ah once again your wrong.

The IAM was certified in 1995 and ratified their first CBA in 1999.

Try again.

http://airlineforums.com/topic/41033-iam-fleet-service-topic-mini-thread/page__st__384
The IAM won the runoff election and on July 22, 1994 the NMB certified the IAM to represent the fleet service class or craft
On April 1, 1999, US Airways' fleet service employees ratified an initial labor contract

Sorry I was off it took 5 years I guess we were both wrong according to your own post



700UW Posted 19 April 2008 - 12:48 AM

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Ramp Rogue, on Apr 19 2008, 12:22 AM, said:
Would you kindly go somewhere else and peddle your wares! This is a ramp forum. You do not work on the US ramp.

Like I said there was an election the IAM came out on top, the USWA was 2nd and the IBT third, then there was a runoff election between the IAM and USWA and the IAM won.

Care to refute it?

And anyone can post on US Aviation.

From US Air Annual Report 1995 for the year 1994:

Annual Report

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During 1994, certain unions engaged in efforts to unionize USAir's fleet service employees. The Railway Labor Act governs, and the NMB has jurisdiction over, campaigns to unionize workers.
On May 17, 1994, the NMB tabulated the results of an election among the class or craft of approximately 7,700 USAir fleet service employees. In the election, none of the three unions that sought to represent this class or craft received a majority of the vote; however, a majority of the eligible employees cast ballots in favor of union representation.

Accordingly, the NMB ordered and conducted a runoff election to determine which of the IAM or the USWA, the two unions that received the most votes, would represent this class or craft. The IAM won the runoff election and on July 22, 1994 the NMB certified the IAM to represent the fleet service class or craft. The IAM already represents approximately 8,300 USAir mechanics and related employees. Under the Railway Labor Act, which governs labor relations in the airline industry, USAir is obligated to negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with the IAM governing the terms and conditions of employment for the fleet service employees.

There is no America without labor, and to fleece the one is to rob the other.

 

[wings396]

wings396,

I ask for your patience. I am a candidate running on The Leadership For Progress team. I fully intend to disclose my name as soon as our website is up and running. The website will have bios for each candidate on the team. I want the members to be able to access this information on the website before I disclose. I think you will find the bios, for all of the candidates on the team, speak for themselves regarding qualifications for office and experience. I intend to run on my record. I do not believe in bashing other candidates in an effort to gain support. I ask for your patience and understanding. 32 years with US and running for AGC (2 year term).
ograc

Thanks for the response, I will be sure to check it out when it is available...

 

[necigrad]

Roabilly
what "critical time in negotiations " are you referring to. They haven't even agreed on 1 article of the contract

My understanding from the NCs postings is that they have reached agreements on several sections on the contract. Those agreements are not public, however, because they're still available for renegotiation. Not that I condone this, but as an example, why lock out say Holidays from future changes? Wouldn't you be willing to consider giving up a holiday or two if it would result on some percentage of payout on unused sick days? Or maybe a change to mandatory OT being 2 times instead of time and a half? Agreements HAVE been reached, the results just haven't gone out to the membership... Yet.

 

[700UW]

A 401K is a pension program established by employers. Contributions to qualified 401-K retirement plans are tax deferred and contributions are voluntary. Check out this site for complete explanation.
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc424.htm

Better call the IRS John John, as your info is wrong.

 

[roabilly]

Roabilly
what "critical time in negotiations " are you referring to. They haven't even agreed on 1 article of the contract

Hell, you tell me! You're the almighty IAM Informer... you must know every single detail of every single minute of Negotiations, along with all the bathroom breaks! Tell us... please...

 

[roabilly]

My understanding from the NCs postings is that they have reached agreements on several sections on the contract. Those agreements are not public, however, because they're still available for renegotiation. Not that I condone this, but as an example, why lock out say Holidays from future changes? Wouldn't you be willing to consider giving up a holiday or two if it would result on some percentage of payout on unused sick days? Or maybe a change to mandatory OT being 2 times instead of time and a half? Agreements HAVE been reached, the results just haven't gone out to the membership... Yet.

I disagree... agreements have not been reached! Agreements are reached when the Membership says they are reached... (Ratification)!

Further, I doesn't matter what I want... it's what the majority of the Membership wants!

 

[roabilly]

I'm not running for any position, so my name would mean nothing to the readers here. Tim has been using his name for years, and hasn't been burned at the stake as far as I know. He identifys himself relating to union issues, not as an employee. I am well aware of the company ethics guide. Just sayin its hard to give any credability to anyone running for office when you don't even know who they are. Based on what some of you post, it appears as if you feel threatend by Tim.
Should I be looking for " roabilly" on the ballot?
I'm sure you get my point.


Good post Jester.....

No, actually I don’t feel even the slightest bit threatened by Tim personally, or anyone else for that matter. Fear is false emotion that only distracts us from the task at hand.

As far as me and any ballot... it ain’t gonna happen. I’ve spoken about this many times… I hate politics! Want to know why I hate politics? Because everyone that wants us to vote for them promises a Rose Garden that they can NOT deliver! I went through this whole thing with Tim in 2008… and I’m NOT going to do it again!

Tim knows me personally, he knows my position, and he knows full well why I’m pissed about Occupy… I don’t think I could make myself any clearer to him, you, or anyone else.

No one should campaign on derogatory tirades, and false promise… it exposes character weakness… it’s just that simple!

 

[roabilly]

I,m not convinced we've made any strides in the contract talks to date. However the team in place will still be in place reguardless wich team wins in June. Maybe one or two new players but no real change there. I havent heard of any scope being discussed. Cargo and I know each other and have mutual respect for each other. I wont speak for him but I'm pretty sure that he would agree with being disappointed with the present Leadership.

And... we were disappointed with the Leadership before them... and the Leadership before those... and even the Leadership before both of those Leaderships! Further, I'll tell you this... you'll be disappointed again and again... even IF Tim is elected... or anyone else for that matter!

What part of these collective bargaining circumstances are not clear? When will you guys admit that we (Fleet) are in the same boat as every single Union Group in this Industry? Cargo has come closer to actually speaking the truth in these forums to spite his desire to be elected! To be elected, you have to present a sugar coated vision of utopia to everyone, inducing false hope in the process, along with the assumption that they will live happily ever after under your reign.

I've watched candidate after candidate do this over and over... for freakin' decades! Not a single one of them has been able to actually change anything! This was even going on in the 70's when my father was involved!

The reason I'm so freakin' hard on you guys is simple... you need to learn that talkin' the talk... is not walkin' the WALK! You have but one choice... choose sides... select your Leadership for the LONG TERM... and back them the hell up... don't vote them out before they even get started!

The Pilots are going on 7 years in negotiations... and, as 700 has made clear... 4 to 5 years for a CBA is not out of the question... how will replacing leadership every 4 years expedite and/or enhance a CBA for Fleet?

Quit reacting to propaganda... start thinking strategically... and become cohesive!

Those are the choices... your fate is yours to decide!

 

[mike33]

I disagree... agreements have not been reached! Agreements are reached when the Membership says they are reached... (Ratification)!

Further, I doesn't matter what I want... it's what the majority of the Membership wants!

Absolutely....My vote was cast 4 yrs ago and until i see a contract to view?........that was my vote....
ND will be trying to get some better merger language for our seniority I'm sure and DP has nothing to loose by giving it to us before anything happens. Its a union issue and its no skin or cost off his back.

 

[roabilly]

I would also like to pose a question to any/all of you that are pro IAM members and/ or candidates. With a straight face, can you tell me that a majority of the membership has been satisfied with the IAM at ANY point since they have represented us? I have been around the entire time, and have yet to hear anyone that is, with the exception of those holding a position

Do you realize what you have just slipped, and revealed to everyone?

You are actually against the IAM in general aren't you? Not the N/D... or Delaney... but the entire Union! Your efforts to divide this group are deplorable!

Onward...

 

[wings396]

I'm not against the IAM, just stating the a majority of the members including myself are not satisfied with their overall performance. Save your crap about me wanting to divide this group, as I have no influence on anyone. If you and a few others want to say that you are pleased with what they have done for you, that's great. Our group has had a ton of our work outsourced, lost profit sharing, lost wages, lost snapbacks, and have seen our dues increase on a regular basis. Are you pleased with all of this? The voices of many candidates are echoing their displeasure as well. Our dues are intended to pay for a service, and we aren't getting any. Who am I trying to divide? Those that are satisfied, and those who are not? In case you have missed it, they already are. Wake up and look around...travel around the system and talk to a few members. Do you actually read what people post here? Do you see displeasure with anyone other than myself? Where did our 2% raise go? A minor fopa in the printing of the cba? The company can drag It's feet thru negotiations while our pay sits idle until July. Are they looking to get any retro pay in this new cba? Don't make faulse accusations towards me just because I like SOME of what Tim has to say. I am open minded as to what the other candidates have to say as well, and have a few months to decide who to vote for.

 

[wings396]

Do you realize what you have just slipped, and revealed to everyone?

You are actually against the IAM in general aren't you? Not the N/D... or Delaney... but the entire Union! Your efforts to divide this group are deplorable!

Onward...

So if an American citizen doesn't care for what the govt is doing, or speaks out against an elected official, does that make them Anti-American? That is basically what you are saying about anyone who expresses displeasure with the union, correct? As union members we have freedom of speech, don't we? The ND team has been given a chance to show the membership what they can do, and many are not impressed. Should we be willing to give them another 4 years to see if they can deliver, or give someone else an opportunity? Are you going to vote for the same US president giving them a 2nd term if they didn't show you anything in their first term?
Just because someone doesn't like what's going on within an organization, doesn't make them anti-establishment.
I gave the IAM my vote many years ago, and I along with every other member expect them to do what is in the memberships best interest. It's pretty simple when you think about it.

 

[rockit2]

So if an American citizen doesn't care for what the govt is doing, or speaks out against an elected official, does that make them Anti-American? That is basically what you are saying about anyone who expresses displeasure with the union, correct? As union members we have freedom of speech, don't we? The ND team has been given a chance to show the membership what they can do, and many are not impressed. Should we be willing to give them another 4 years to see if they can deliver, or give someone else an opportunity? Are you going to vote for the same US president giving them a 2nd term if they didn't show you anything in their first term?
Just because someone doesn't like what's going on within an organization, doesn't make them anti-establishment.
I gave the IAM my vote many years ago, and I along with every other member expect them to do what is in the memberships best interest. It's pretty simple when you think about it.

Well said wings396, At my station 70 percent are complacent, 20 percent are hard core union, and the remaining 10 are non combatants. Everytime I look at my pay stub it is sickening. A little over sixty bucks a month for what? You can't get a grievence settle without it going to PHX only to get sat on for months. Like I said on the apathy page, where's my AGC? Missing in action for months, not even a walk through.

On the other front, Dave Lehive posted 64 pics on facebook of the 141 Chairmans conference in SAN. There may have been 10 pics with US guy's in them. Tell you alot about where the district puts all there eggs.

 

[robbedagain]

rockit2 i agree with that and with wings. my grievance filed in july 09, had a hearing at my local station in jan 2011 yet it was an agc from philadelphia that came to my station via a coworker of mine because our 2 shop stewards refused to filed grievance then. one guy lost the his position and the other turned around and filed grievances for me for different things but since my local hearing I havent heard a dam thing as to when Im gonna have mediation or arbitration. sucks as you said to be looking at the paystubs, then seeing cust. serv agents pilots and f/as rake in thousands upon thousands of dough via profit sharing. yea we have a pension but still no flippin reason why we are where we are and the comapny continues to stall stall is their middle name!