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I was thinking that same thing about HR 658. I talked to a negotiator and he concurs that corporate america would want a vote between 2 Unions every time because there would always be the possibility of decertification. No election, no chance of decertifying.
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I think the question(s) would be this...

1] Would the TWU lobby the NMB, and argue that they should be the prevailing union either with, or preferably without an election?

2] Would the IAM lobby the NMB, and argue that they should be the prevailing union either with, or preferably without an election?

3] Would AA, US, and/or the combined entity have an interest keeping one, or both unions in certain pre-described positions in exchange for getting participation in supporting the merger prior to it actually occurring?

4] Could any of these three entities force the issue into a long legal battle, thus setting the stage for a ground breaking legal precedence?
 
I would be interested to know just how satisfied the people at Southwest are with the TWU and the people at United with the IAM.
 
The plot thickens...

In another development, it appears as if the TWU has hammered out another deal with AA, and is about to present an enhanced “final offer” pre-abrogation option for TWU members to vote on. It is said to mirror that of the US post merger T/A…

Click here for story!

Could this the be the deal that will by-pass the judge?

I wouldn't say it mirrors the agreement the TWU struck with Parker.It is still asstacularly bad though.

2% paycut (.42 per hour),loss of another week of vacation,holidays actually have to be worked in order to get paid (Off or on VC? Outta' luck).

Cabin service,fueling,employee bus driving all gone.4 additional stations will remain staffed by FSC's for a total of 17.Freight and mail gone except for JFK,LAX,ORD,MIA and DFW.

Commuter ASM cap gone (Eagle hyper growth?).PV's gone.

System and station protection gone.

Basically lots of lines through existing language.

It's still a dog's dinner,but my instincts tell me it will pass.
 
I wouldn't say it mirrors the agreement the TWU struck with Parker.It is still asstacularly bad though.

2% paycut (.42 per hour),loss of another week of vacation,holidays actually have to be worked in order to get paid (Off or on VC? Outta' luck).

Cabin service,fueling,employee bus driving all gone.4 additional stations will remain staffed by FSC's for a total of 17.Freight and mail gone except for JFK,LAX,ORD,MIA and DFW.

Commuter ASM cap gone (Eagle hyper growth?).PV's gone.

System and station protection gone.

Basically lots of lines through existing language.

It's still a dog's dinner,but my instincts tell me it will pass.

Thanks JFK...

Is this new term sheet public yet? Is so... what link?

Hang in there...
 
Not online that I'm aware of yet,we have a hard copy in the readyroom.Should be online at some point,I'll link it when it is.

Too many people flip to compensation,look at it and walk away,never bothering to see what else they're losing.
 
Not online that I'm aware of yet,we have a hard copy in the readyroom.Should be online at some point,I'll link it when it is.

Too many people flip to compensation,look at it and walk away,never bothering to see what else they're losing.

That sounds familiar.
 
I was thinking that same thing about HR 658. I talked to a negotiator and he concurs that corporate america would want a vote between 2 Unions every time because there would always be the possibility of decertification. No election, no chance of decertifying.
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I think the question(s) would be this...

1] Would the TWU lobby the NMB, and argue that they should be the prevailing union either with, or preferably without an election?

2] Would the IAM lobby the NMB, and argue that they should be the prevailing union either with, or preferably without an election?

3] Would AA, US, and/or the combined entity have an interest keeping one, or both unions in certain pre-described positions in exchange for getting participation in supporting the merger prior to it actually occurring?

4] Could any of these three entities force the issue into a long legal battle, thus setting the stage for a ground breaking legal precedence?
Roabily,

The TWU did not oppose the FAA bill because of the AMR possibilities and protecting its dues paying members. Any application has to be supported with 50% support which means that the IAM would need about 3,500 cards to avoid the McCaskill Bond and the TWU's internal seniority policies. Essentially, if one is a US AIRWAYS employee, then an election is what should be hoped for. If there is a representation election then the McCaskill Bond will thankfully not apply and any AMR/US merger could mirror UA/CO. If there isn't enough cards received and no election talkes place then it becomes a Southwest/Airtran situation where seniority will be determined through the McCaskill Bond if there is no agreement. If, it's Southwest/Airtran then all may want to pay attention to an arbitration decision due on June 4. The Southwest ramp is TWU and wanted 80% to 20% seniority against the IAM represented Airtran rampers. Whatever that arbitrator's decision may prove very significant for a possible AMR/US merger. IMO, ATL will keep their full seniority but alot of the line stations and mid stations that have Southwest TWU employees will essentially have some sorta reduction in seniority. Dunno. Remember, the TWU, as lame as it may be, has excellent seniorirty clauses that contain 'sacredity' against adversely affected mergers. They have it at Southwest and at AMR. Therefore, we can talk all day about how exciting or how long it may take to finally nail down a transition agreement with a new merger but our main focus needs to be on obtaining a US AIRWAYS contract FIRST before our union leadership considers dumping our members into transitions like they did at United. Roabily, this is absolutely critical and you at least need to get on board with pushing that. You also have to consider how the airtran unions insisted on negotiating their own contract first and told Southwest that they would not support any transition talks until the airtran members were taken care of. Southwest balked and the unions picketed, then they got a contract PRIOR to transitions. VERY VERY IMPORTANT!

regards,
 
As promised,linkage to full text version,complete with comparison to initial "ask".

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/05/01/twu-aa-bankruptcy-contract-language-side-by-side-comparisons-and-term-sheets/
 
As promised,linkage to full text version,complete with comparison to initial "ask".

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/05/01/twu-aa-bankruptcy-contract-language-side-by-side-comparisons-and-term-sheets/
JFK thanks for the info, also in my daily paper, looks like Delta got the go ahead to buy the refinery out side of PHL. The Delta CEO is being that of a hero for fighting off DP at US and making his own jet fuel. It is predicted thier fuel cost saving will catipult them to the number one of the industry. Smart move by this guy, all excess will be sold to other airlines to maintain profability for Delta.
 
JFK thanks for the info, also in my daily paper, looks like Delta got the go ahead to buy the refinery out side of PHL. The Delta CEO is being that of a hero for fighting off DP at US and making his own jet fuel. It is predicted thier fuel cost saving will catipult them to the number one of the industry. Smart move by this guy, all excess will be sold to other airlines to maintain profability for Delta.

Delta will still be using the more expensive of Brent vs. West Intermediate Crude which sells at a premium of $12/barrel difference. In fact, that has been one of the reasons give as to why oil refineries have been closing because the price of the oil available or the refinery was designed to process was too expensive to compete against. Now before the "kookspiracy" people claim the reduction of capacity was to keep the price of gasoline high, the sale to Delta will still produce gasoline as a by-product to the primary objective of Jet A. How Delta will somehow be able to turn a profit where oil refiners were unable to do so in that same facility remains a mystery to me.

There are reasons at to why conglomerates have fallen out of favor in the past decades from the 1960s due to losing the focus on the core business, lack of expertise in the side businesses, and additional levels of management required to operate the businesses. Some may say it is part of a vertical integration of the operation to assist the airline, but it will still be subject to the same global price of oil as would be any other airline. About the only reasonable explanation I could figure would as an attempt to offset Delta's losses while fuel prices soar with the hope that the oil refinery can offset with increased profits... but once again... that refinery was losing money during high oil prices.

So Analyzes Jester.
 
Once again the represented members have been backed into the corner of take it or suffer the possible consequences. Same strategy... different airline. IMO... the airlines within the industry are sharing the same playbook. File for bankruptcy, tilt the playing field with labor contracts and those represented, and in the end the shareholders and CEOs reap the rewards (synergies). Coming from the US side, this sounds all too familiar. IMO... a very sad state of affairs.
ograc
 
As promised,linkage to full text version,complete with comparison to initial "ask".

http://twu514.org/blog/2012/05/01/twu-aa-bankruptcy-contract-language-side-by-side-comparisons-and-term-sheets/

Thanks JFK...

It will take me day or so to get around to reading it in it's entirety. I have one question though... I noticed the pension language has been struck, and replaced with retirement benefits language.

What type of pension did you guys have? Was it similar to ours, and/or operated by a outside financial institution for the TWU, or AA?

You have been a great deal of help in shedding light on the other side of the master plan...
I cannot thank you enough...
 
Roabily,

The TWU did not oppose the FAA bill because of the AMR possibilities and protecting its dues paying members. Any application has to be supported with 50% support which means that the IAM would need about 3,500 cards to avoid the McCaskill Bond and the TWU's internal seniority policies. Essentially, if one is a US AIRWAYS employee, then an election is what should be hoped for. If there is a representation election then the McCaskill Bond will thankfully not apply and any AMR/US merger could mirror UA/CO. If there isn't enough cards received and no election talkes place then it becomes a Southwest/Airtran situation where seniority will be determined through the McCaskill Bond if there is no agreement. If, it's Southwest/Airtran then all may want to pay attention to an arbitration decision due on June 4. The Southwest ramp is TWU and wanted 80% to 20% seniority against the IAM represented Airtran rampers. Whatever that arbitrator's decision may prove very significant for a possible AMR/US merger. IMO, ATL will keep their full seniority but alot of the line stations and mid stations that have Southwest TWU employees will essentially have some sorta reduction in seniority. Dunno. Remember, the TWU, as lame as it may be, has excellent seniorirty clauses that contain 'sacredity' against adversely affected mergers. They have it at Southwest and at AMR. Therefore, we can talk all day about how exciting or how long it may take to finally nail down a transition agreement with a new merger but our main focus needs to be on obtaining a US AIRWAYS contract FIRST before our union leadership considers dumping our members into transitions like they did at United. Roabily, this is absolutely critical and you at least need to get on board with pushing that. You also have to consider how the airtran unions insisted on negotiating their own contract first and told Southwest that they would not support any transition talks until the airtran members were taken care of. Southwest balked and the unions picketed, then they got a contract PRIOR to transitions. VERY VERY IMPORTANT!

regards,

Tim…

Am I getting the vibe that you are extending the proverbial olive branch, or… are you leading me into a “box canyon”?

Anyway… in your post you used the term sacredity did you mean “sacrality”? You used this term in describing M&A language using the TWU as an example. I’m going to guess that you meant that seniority is sacred and must be protected at all costs! I have reviewed the existing language in the latest proposal provided by JFK. I see NO magic “sacrality” language that would benefit any particular fleet group over another.

Perhaps, you have exceeded my verbal prowess here but… has the N/D not conveyed the same concerns? Your approach to getting a fast T/A prior to any merger is preferable, but is it realistic when you consider the legal proceedings, and ramifications regarding this transaction? Not to even speak of all of the hoops we have to jump through under the RLA just to progress negotiations to mediation? How do you propose that we leverage the company into immediately accepting our terms... and inserting the magic ‘sacredity’ language into the existing CBA… or in a T/A? Should we stomp our feet… or glare at them until they blink?

I’ve said this before… and you know I mean it… the Company has… and WILL… use ALL Federal Laws to their advantage to prolong negotiations within a hair of an impasse!

In addition... why would the TWU oppose the FAA re-authorization bill if it is Federal Law... and not open for negotiation? Further... H.R.658 could only be challenged through complex, financial, and time consuming legal proceedings... all at he Memberships expense!

So… let’s drop the interwoven subliminal political rhetoric!
 
AMERICAN/US AIRWAYS MERGER UPDATE
 
APRIL 29,2012
Ron Roth Acting AGC

APRIL 20 / DOUG PARKER LETTER : Us airways filed an 8-k form with the SEC disclosing they have signed agreements with three unions at american that represent nearly 55,000 employees. The unions were : Allied Pilots Association , Association of Professional Flight Attendants and the Transport workers union . The three unions expressed their support for the merger .Per Mr Parker , they recognize the importance of a potential merger would save at least 6,200 positions at American . The agreements made would enhance compensation and benefits already in place . This announcement does not mean we have agreed to merge with american .

(to see entire post go to : ( wings.usairways.com )


April 20/TWU/APFA/APA LETTER : We are pleased to confirm our support of a possible merger between our airline and US airways . This significant step represents our shared recognition that a merger between American and US Airways is the best strategy and fastest option to complete the restructing of American , enabling it to exit chapter 11 and restore American to preeminent position in the airline industry . Over the long term the combined new airline would support greater job security and advancement opportunities for both American and US Airways employees that are far superior to those available to employees at either airline on a stand alone basis . ( APA represents 10,000 pilots - APFA represents 17,000 flight attendants - TWU represents 26,000 employees in fleet service , aircraft mechanics , stock clerks , dispatchers , ground school instructors , flight simulators and facility maintenance .


April 24/IAM DISTRICT PRESIDENT , RICH DELANEY COMMENTS : This weeks negotiations were disrupted by our inablity to review the company's agreement with TWU. The company claimed they were not in a position to share the TWU Term sheet until the TWU had informed their members of the deal . We agreed to schedule negotiation sessions in early july . We have begun the process of moving these talks to the next level of the railway labor act . We have had discussions with both the company and the Grand lodge to expore the possiblity of seeking the assistance of the National Mediation Board . The US/TWU deal while known to the TWU members , will not become effective or subject to ratification unless and until a merger between the two airlines is approved by the controlling parties and is finalized . The IAM will continue to withhold support or opposition to the proposed merger until much more information is known about the effect the proposal will have on our membership . TWU will not be voting on the US air agreement anytime soon . (iam141.0rg)


AMERICAN AIRLINES (miscellaneous ) - Its executives want to emerge from bankruptcy as a stand-alone airline . A spokesman for American said the company is focused on it's own plan to reorganize under bankruptcy protection which he called the best option for the airlines 73,000 employees. AMR filed for protection in November and has since outlined plans to cut more than 14,000 jobs , including 13,00 held by union members . On Thursday , the company reported a 1.6 billion loss for the first quarter . American has presented arguments to the court to terminate the existing contract with the TWU and implement changes they want in order to lower their labor costs under the protection of the bankruptcy fourt . The judge's decision to terminate is expected june 6.


APRIL 24/US airways/TWU term sheet highlights (proposed )

-Up to 1,500 employees could take early retirement and receive a "special severance allowance " of 22,000. To qualify , the employee must be at least age 45, an American employee for at least 15 years . Maximum would be 1,500 employees covering seven work groups .

- The US proposal would eliminate 2,232 mechanics and related jobs compared to 4,232 planned cuts by American . in Tulsa in particular, US air would eliminate 450 aircraft maintenance technician jobs , compared to 17,00 jobs cut by american . The remaining 450 AMT's at Tulsa would be protected from furlough for two years .

-American proposed elimintiating 450 line mechanics , US Airways would cut 250

-US airways would cancel plans to outsource employees in 30 protected stations , it is estimated that would protect 1,390 jobs . ( ABQ,ATL,BDL,BNA,BWI,DEN,DTW,ELP,EWR,FLL,HNL,IAD,IAH,IND,MCI,MEM,MSP,MSY,PHL,PHX,RDU,SAN,SAT,SEA,SJC,SJU,SNA,TPA,TUL, and TUS )

- cargo and mail work at JFK,LAX,DFW and MIA would be eliminated in exhance for other deal items .

- profit sharing and annual incentive plan would be eliminated in exchange for other deal items

- 401K's would be reduced from 5.5% to 3% in exchange for other deal items

-at the companies discretion it shall have the option of adopting the process for assigning overtime that US Air currently uses for fleet service as set by article 6.

-the parties agree to negotiate the terms of a "fence" and a "transition planning agreement " for the integration of us Airways and American

BLOGGER COMMENTS :
- The Union Presidents said they are looking out for their members interest ? Who are they kidding ? they are looking out for their interests only . No unions , no presidents .

-If there is a merger it will result in less competition and higher flight prices for all .

-Interesting that the furlough protection is for two years . Isn't that about the time that a merger would be close to complete ? wouldn't US and AA work groups be expected to come together at that time ? does this mean that US will decimate Tulsa after two years ?

-Sorry but i still am not buying what they are selling . I see nothing there but maybe another "kicking the can down the road" speech in a few years .

-American has hubs in LAX,DFW,ORD,MIA,and JFK . US airways is concentrated in PHL, CLT , PHX and DCA . Because they are concentrated in different locations , the proposed merger would be a win-win .

NOTE: with all of this going and including negotiations , i would hope people are real careful in their selection of IAM candidates come JUNE 2012 . This is truly a time when experience counts ..


The above has been reprinted with the permission of RR ... any gramma or spelling errors are my own , had to do this by hand because my scanner wasn't working .
 
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