IAM Fleet Service topic

[wikileaks]

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[roabilly]

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Is this the remainder of your credibility that has leaked from your failed attempt to discredit the IAM?

 

[700UW]

He had something posted there about the attendance policy, and he said it was an internal e-mail.

 

[PHXramper]

Can anyone from a station other the PHX please tell me if the Lead is responsible for the actions of others on their gate doing their jobs correctly? For example chocking equipment, showing up to flts,etc, etc, etc.... Mgmnt here is putting all the blame for petty things on the gate lead, and our grievance committee cant/wont put a stop to it. Maybe it is because they are too busy playing Golf with Management

 

[Hope777]

Can anyone from a station other the PHX please tell me if the Lead is responsible for the actions of others on their gate doing their jobs correctly? For example chocking equipment, showing up to flts,etc, etc, etc.... Mgmnt here is putting all the blame for petty things on the gate lead, and our grievance committee cant/wont put a stop to it. Maybe it is because they are too busy playing Golf with Management

NO !
Our contract says lead and direct. Leads ARE part of the work force and CANNOT be there to Babysit every step of the way.
Each FSA is Responsible for their own actions.

 

[Jester]

Can anyone from a station other the PHX please tell me if the Lead is responsible for the actions of others on their gate doing their jobs correctly? For example chocking equipment, showing up to flts,etc, etc, etc.... Mgmnt here is putting all the blame for petty things on the gate lead, and our grievance committee cant/wont put a stop to it. Maybe it is because they are too busy playing Golf with Management

There was a very good reason as to why PHX had to import Team Leads from places like LAS when they had furloughs last year, as no one in their right mind would choose to be a Team Lead otherwise knowing how PHX operates and abuses them! The leads get all the responsiblity, but none of the authority, and take most of the blame. I am sure that more than a few of the LAS Team Leads who transferred into PHX wished they had taken PHL or DCA instead now just be a ramper, but it is so tempting to be closer to home.

As for the Leads being responsible for the actions of others... I guess so as it appears the union does not wish to fight the matter.

So States Jester.

 

[pjirish317]

As for the Leads being responsible for the actions of others... I guess so as it appears the union does not wish to fight the matter.

So States Jester.

The Union where? In PHX, or as a whole. Because it has to start with a grievance at the station where the violation occured. In order for it to get to the level where the District takes over. Oh but that would be RR out of PHX now wouldn't it. You guys got what you asked for out there. BTW, the District can't take action on behalf of an employee unless/until a grievance is filed. And that would fall upon the shoulders of the local GC to do. Good luck with that. I hope this clears it up a little.

 

[roabilly]

The Union where? In PHX, or as a whole. Because it has to start with a grievance at the station where the violation occured. In order for it to get to the level where the District takes over. Oh but that would be RR out of PHX now wouldn't it. You guys got what you asked for out there. BTW, the District can't take action on behalf of an employee unless/until a grievance is filed. And that would fall upon the shoulders of the local GC to do. Good luck with that. I hope this clears it up a little.

Hear yahh PJ…

I’ve been tryin’ to avoid “I TOLD YOU SO” posts… but in this instance… I think it is warranted!

Where is Freedom now?

So launches an incendiary forty mike mike…

BroBilly

 

[P. REZ]

There was a very good reason as to why PHX had to import Team Leads from places like LAS when they had furloughs last year, as no one in their right mind would choose to be a Team Lead otherwise knowing how PHX operates and abuses them! The leads get all the responsiblity, but none of the authority, and take most of the blame. I am sure that more than a few of the LAS Team Leads who transferred into PHX wished they had taken PHL or DCA instead now just be a ramper, but it is so tempting to be closer to home.

As for the Leads being responsible for the actions of others... I guess so as it appears the union does not wish to fight the matter.

So States Jester.

Just got a C.D. removed for a LAS transfer TL who was written up for something he had no control over today. GC in PHX does not agree with TL's being written up for other peoples mistakes. PERIOD.

 

[Jester]

Just got a C.D. removed for a LAS transfer TL who was written up for something he had no control over today. GC in PHX does not agree with TL's being written up for other peoples mistakes. PERIOD.

PRez,

Let's face it... there was a real reason as to why in the thousands of FSAs in PHX that very few of them elected to be Team Leads. In fact, as we know, the problem was so dire for the operations that management was forcing ramp agents to take Team Lead assignments against the wishes of the employees and the union eventually had to fight the matter. Other stations don't have this problem, as not to say, everyone wants to be a team lead, but there aren't critical shortages.

So instead of fixing the real problem (i.e. holding team leads accountable for the actions of other ramp agents), the union forced management's hand to allow transfers into PHX only if the employee agrees to become a team lead, even while management threatened furloughs because PHX would then be overstaffed. So the problem was 'solved', right? And yet, by your own admission, the write-ups continue against team leads because of other people's mistakes. Nothing really changed, except new cannon fodder was brought in from the outside.

So Reviews Jester.

 

[P. REZ]

PRez,

Let's face it... there was a real reason as to why in the thousands of FSAs in PHX that very few of them elected to be Team Leads. In fact, as we know, the problem was so dire for the operations that management was forcing ramp agents to take Team Lead assignments against the wishes of the employees and the union eventually had to fight the matter. Other stations don't have this problem, as not to say, everyone wants to be a team lead, but there aren't critical shortages.

So instead of fixing the real problem (i.e. holding team leads accountable for the actions of other ramp agents), the union forced management's hand to allow transfers into PHX only if the employee agrees to become a team lead, even while management threatened furloughs because PHX would then be overstaffed. So the problem was 'solved', right? And yet, by your own admission, the write-ups continue against team leads because of other people's mistakes. Nothing really changed, except new cannon fodder was brought in from the outside.

So Reviews Jester.

what are you talking about? are you in PHX or somewhere else and if in PHX do you drop and vto all the time?

 

[28L_or_10R?]

what are you talking about? are you in PHX or somewhere else and if in PHX do you drop and vto all the time?

We can tell when you are getting angry.

 

[P. REZ]

We can tell when you are getting angry.

Angry no, he just doesn't seem to know what is happening in PHX today.

 

[Jester]

what are you talking about? are you in PHX or somewhere else and if in PHX do you drop and vto all the time?

PRez,

Are you pretending the events I described didn't happen a year ago? Are you stating that agents were not being forced into Team Lead assignments because of a shortage qualified people? Are you stating that the full-time furloughs who transferred into our station last year were not required to accept Team Lead positions as a condition of the transference?

Are you so confused on one hand saying that you helped in overturning a C.D. against a Team Lead, but on the other hand saying the aforementioned harassment doesn't exist? Which is it? Either there has been a continuing pattern and history of unrealistic expectations and blame of Team Leads or did you just fixed the problem yesterday, and the issue is now moot?

So Queries Jester.

 

[P. REZ]

PRez,

Let's face it... there was a real reason as to why in the thousands of FSAs in PHX that very few of them elected to be Team Leads. In fact, as we know, the problem was so dire for the operations that management was forcing ramp agents to take Team Lead assignments against the wishes of the employees and the union eventually had to fight the matter. Other stations don't have this problem, as not to say, everyone wants to be a team lead, but there aren't critical shortages.

So instead of fixing the real problem (i.e. holding team leads accountable for the actions of other ramp agents), the union forced management's hand to allow transfers into PHX only if the employee agrees to become a team lead, even while management threatened furloughs because PHX would then be overstaffed. So the problem was 'solved', right? And yet, by your own admission, the write-ups continue against team leads because of other people's mistakes. Nothing really changed, except new cannon fodder was brought in from the outside.

So Reviews Jester.

I've never heard that junior people were forced to TL, but Qualified TL's have been assigned against their will. And, the Union didn't force the company to allow TL's to transfer to PHX. Yes, TL's are held accountable in PHX more so than in at least a few places. BTW, TL's are written up for other peoples mistakes less often than in the past and we recommend grieving as I said before.