IAM Fleet Service topic

[pjirish317]

I've never heard that junior people were forced to TL, but Qualified TL's have been assigned against their will. And, the Union didn't force the company to allow TL's to transfer to PHX. Yes, TL's are held accountable in PHX more so than in at least a few places. BTW, TL's are written up for other peoples mistakes less often than in the past and we recommend grieving as I said before.

p rez,

Can I ask you what a "qualified" TL is? and, What are the "qualification's" to become a TL in PHX?

 

[pjirish317]

p rez,

Can I ask you what a "qualified" TL is? and, What are the "qualification's" to become a TL in PHX?

Come on now p rez. It's a simple question. Or is it to hard for you to answer?

P.S.- To be honest, I don't think you can answer the question, as you do not exactly inspire confidence. So the answer is, there are NO QUALIFICATION'S TO BE A TL. IT IS ALL BY SENIORITY. IF YOU PUT IN A XFER TO BE A TL AT ANY STATION SYSTEMWIDE, AND YOU ARE THE SENIOR FSA ON FILE, GUESS WHAT YOU ARE NOW A TL. THE ONLY POSITIONS THAT CONOLI AND HIS MERRY BAND OF MISFITS GAVE AWAY OUR SENIORITY RIGHT'S TO ARE THE TOWERS IN CLT, PHL, LAS AND PHX. THEY ARE FILLED VIA AN INTERVIEW PROCESS.

 

[Hope777]

Read the Contract.
There are NO Qualifications in Place to because a LEAD, with the exception is you Can Not be on a Level to Bid the Position.
It goes by Senority, so if there is a Lead opening and a 30 year employee is the Sr person to bid the position, he gets it.
He would more than likely jump ALL the current Leads and become the Sr Lead.

That $1.00 an hour is well worth it.....

 

[pjirish317]

p rez,

One more thing. Please read Article 8B. But be careful, by qualified in that entire section, it means a person that is already a TL in another duty assignment or location or is the senior FSA on file. Everbody is qualified to be a TL as long as their seniority will let them xfer to that position, except for the aforementioned tower positions. That being said, every station has TL's that should not be in that position, but since nobody else wanted the job, we have to deal with these people or step up and do the job. Otherwise quit-yer-bitchin'

 

[pjirish317]

Read the Contract.
There are NO Qualifications in Place to because a LEAD, with the exception is you Can Not be on a Level to Bid the Position.
It goes by Senority, so if there is a Lead opening and a 30 year employee is the Sr person to bid the position, he gets it.
He would more than likely jump ALL the current Leads and become the Sr Lead.

That $1.00 an hour is well worth it.....

Hope,

You beat me to it. Thank you.

 

[Jester]

I've never heard that junior people were forced to TL, but Qualified TL's have been assigned against their will. And, the Union didn't force the company to allow TL's to transfer to PHX. Yes, TL's are held accountable in PHX more so than in at least a few places. BTW, TL's are written up for other peoples mistakes less often than in the past and we recommend grieving as I said before.

PRez,

You are dodging the issue, so let's review:

I've never heard that junior people were forced to TL, but Qualified TL's have been assigned against their will.

I never said that unqualified people were being forced to become TL's, but that TL qualified FSAs were being forced to take Lead assignments on any given day.

And, the Union didn't force the company to allow TL's to transfer to PHX.

Of course, the union forced the hand of management because without Team Leads, it would have been impossible to get flights out! As there were few takers in PHX to become Team Lead qualified and the union objected to forcing TL qualified FSA's from being forced to Team Lead assignments, the Company had to open the position to FSA's who wanted to transfer into PHX, but make it a requirement that the transfer agreed to become a team lead.

Yes, TL's are held accountable in PHX more so than in at least a few places.

And that's the issue we are discussing in this forum... why are Team Leads being held accountable for the actions of other agents, especially as that's not the norm in other stations?

BTW, TL's are written up for other peoples mistakes less often than in the past and we recommend grieving as I said before.

And yet, it is still happening because the company found a new group of suckers to import from last year desperately trying to stay close to their primary home in Las Vegas, so the problem really has not be solved.

So Dissects Jester.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

What are some of the mistakes of others that the Leads in phx have been written up for?

 

[strangiatotheme]

Why is the TL bid in Phoenix restricted to hired-on only?

 

[P. REZ]

Come on now p rez. It's a simple question. Or is it to hard for you to answer?

P.S.- To be honest, I don't think you can answer the question, as you do not exactly inspire confidence. So the answer is, there are NO QUALIFICATION'S TO BE A TL. IT IS ALL BY SENIORITY. IF YOU PUT IN A XFER TO BE A TL AT ANY STATION SYSTEMWIDE, AND YOU ARE THE SENIOR FSA ON FILE, GUESS WHAT YOU ARE NOW A TL. THE ONLY POSITIONS THAT CONOLI AND HIS MERRY BAND OF MISFITS GAVE AWAY OUR SENIORITY RIGHT'S TO ARE THE TOWERS IN CLT, PHL, LAS AND PHX. THEY ARE FILLED VIA AN INTERVIEW PROCESS.

Interesting that you brought this up so I will answer your question. Of course we understand the language and have grieved this several times which said grievances should be at the arbitration level. I can't say for sure whether they are on the list to be mediated or arbitrated since we don't have a say in what cases go first. Just to be on the safe side we have filed another grievance on how PHX is doing TL positions wrong but to date Labor has said that this is allowed. We are all for this being arbitrated and done correctly in PHX and system wide.

 

[P. REZ]

PRez,

You are dodging the issue, so let's review:


I never said that unqualified people were being forced to become TL's, but that TL qualified FSAs were being forced to take Lead assignments on any given day.


Of course, the union forced the hand of management because without Team Leads, it would have been impossible to get flights out! As there were few takers in PHX to become Team Lead qualified and the union objected to forcing TL qualified FSA's from being forced to Team Lead assignments, the Company had to open the position to FSA's who wanted to transfer into PHX, but make it a requirement that the transfer agreed to become a team lead.


And that's the issue we are discussing in this forum... why are Team Leads being held accountable for the actions of other agents, especially as that's not the norm in other stations?


And yet, it is still happening because the company found a new group of suckers to import from last year desperately trying to stay close to their primary home in Las Vegas, so the problem really has not be solved.

So Dissects Jester.

PHX has never had a problem filling TL positions, we did not force the company to hire from outside because we couldn't get them from here. Period. Tl's that are written up for other peoples actions are aggressively grieved.

 

[freedom]

Hear yahh PJ…

I’ve been tryin’ to avoid “I TOLD YOU SO” posts… but in this instance… I think it is warranted!

Where is Freedom now?

So launches an incendiary forty mike mike…

BroBilly

Greetings and salutations

here i am .....

i still read this message board whenever i can in order to stay informed .... Lately i've seen alot of griping , minor complaints etc .. i hate to sound cold and uncaring , but i'm not concerned if PHX Ramper has a problem with MJ , or XYZ transfer is misreable about having to come to PHX and vents about every little thing ..


I think right now in PHX some of our most serious problems are not company related ... We've been losing WAY too many workers in the last few months to foolish actions .. I'd like to think most of the workers have learned from some of the recent terminations of our co-workers , but i'm not completely convinced .. I'm worried that more people will continute to bring their home troubles into work and cause themselves to be terminated etc ....We've got to start doing a better job of making sure people are aware of what kind of behavior is accetable at work and on company grounds ( parking lot ) and what isn't ... i know that we're all grown men and women , and that we shouldn't need to tell each other how to behave because we're all adults , but looking back at some of the people we've lost , i feel terrible that i didn't speak up and at least say something to them about their behavior at work ... maybe if more of us tried to guide each other , fewer of us would be fired for prevetable actions ..


Sorry i don't write more often , here in PHX the friendlist aiport on earth , they recently switched the free airport internet service over to another company and while they "say" that there's free airport wirless , in reality there isn't any ...

 

[Jester]

PHX has never had a problem filling TL positions, we did not force the company to hire from outside because we couldn't get them from here. Period.

Talk about revisionism! Why don't you go review the DOH of the team leads who transferred in from stations having furloughs last year, and see how many of them were NOT Lead qualified and had been with the company less than three years!

If being accepted as a Team Lead into the program was based upon seniority, then those low seniority people would have lost out to higher seniority PHX people instead. So are you telling me there was a huge number of low seniority PHX people who wanted to become Team Leads, but were edged out by furloughees who were transferring into PHX with as little as three years seniority? I don't think even you believe that one!

Here's the reality... very few people in PHX wanted to become Team Leads, because of the management abuse, and I don't know why you are protecting management in this matter.

So Corrects Jester.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Talk about revisionism! Why don't you go review the DOH of the team leads who transferred in from stations having furloughs last year, and see how many of them were NOT Lead qualified and had been with the company less than three years!

If being accepted as a Team Lead into the program was based upon seniority, then those low seniority people would have lost out to higher seniority PHX people instead. So are you telling me there was a huge number of low seniority PHX people who wanted to become Team Leads, but were edged out by furloughees who were transferring into PHX with as little as three years seniority? I don't think even you believe that one!

Here's the reality... very few people in PHX wanted to become Team Leads, because of the management abuse, and I don't know why you are protecting management .

I was about to call BS on that, myself. PRez has always been an expert at the revisionist spin. Ask him what he had for breakfast; if he says he had Bacon and eggs he probably had pancakes.

 

[P. REZ]

Talk about revisionism! Why don't you go review the DOH of the team leads who transferred in from stations having furloughs last year, and see how many of them were NOT Lead qualified and had been with the company less than three years!

If being accepted as a Team Lead into the program was based upon seniority, then those low seniority people would have lost out to higher seniority PHX people instead. So are you telling me there was a huge number of low seniority PHX people who wanted to become Team Leads, but were edged out by furloughees who were transferring into PHX with as little as three years seniority? I don't think even you believe that one!

Here's the reality... very few people in PHX wanted to become Team Leads, because of the management abuse, and I don't know why you are protecting management in this matter.

So Corrects Jester.

That transfer of TL's were for displaced people only if I remember correctly, LAS, ELP, ABQ and a few other cities.

Don't quote me on numbers but PHX has 125 hired on TL's and 75 qualified TL's. Of the hired on TL's some of them want out and of the 75 qualified TL's some of them also want out. The people in the qualified TL group who would step up and be hired on TL's are junior. Also, the fleet agent group who would want to be hired on as TL are also junior. Because there are less people in the TL group many people shy away because the fact that when only qualified they could get better days off. Trading is also easier in the fleet group. Expectations are a factor with some individuals too.

I can't speak for everyone in PHX and what motivates them in their careers but I've been here for 24 years and have been involved with the Union and the questions and problems etc., etc. with TL and other issues. Senior people that are not in the TL group do shy away because of less weekend shifts than the fleet group, trade issues and expectations.

 

[PHXramper]

Rez, what your telling me is the GC has no power in PHX, you filing grievances doesnt work... so step it up to the next level, you did organize the ramp, so Im sure you can organize them again. All you have done was keep giving excuses on how the company doesnt respect you and just walks over you. There is no such thing in our contract as Qualified TLs, its seniority driven only. And your wrong those openings from PHX were put out system wide for bid so all could bid on them and it just so happens most were from LAS due to seniority. I have seen no response in the bulletin board regarding supervisors spying on us or any of the other topics we've discussed previously. PHX needs a leader who is it going to be? From what Ive been hearing I wish it was jester or PJirish, if freedom didnt defend the company for actions that happen in the parking lot I might even consider him over you