IAM Fleet Service topic

[john john]

I completely agree! If I pay $550 a year in dues, I want to have some serious proffesional lawyers, accounts, ect. at the negotiating table to keep the company from using more smoke and mirrors! I'm sure there is no shortage of 20+ year line workers that are able to speak up for the membership but it takes more than that to play hardball.

Another note. Is the voting on this contract going to be tainted like it was on the last one?! Ie. certain hubs voting on site at work while others having to travel to local lodge....This is not the 1950's anymore. Isn't there a voting process that is online that gives every agent fair chance?

I have been at the table, you dont want a lawyer or an account at the table, it wont do any good, the lawyers, accounts and specialists are better off in the background reviewing the data.

PS. US didnt use lawyers and accountants at the table either, they used them in the background.

Did you sit with Jerry
CWA did

http://www.fhsolutionsgroup.com/showconsultant.aspx?show=45
Jerrold (Jerry) A. Glass serves as President of F&H Solutions Group LLC. He rejoined the consulting firm in October 2005 after serving as Executive Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer at US Airways from April 2002 until September 2005, where he had overall responsibility for labor relations, human resources, policy and compliance, benefits, compensation, recruiting, and corporate learning and development.Jerry, a graduate of Boston University, holds an M.P.A. with a major in management science from The George Washington University.

 

[roadtrip]

ATTENTION ALL FLEET SERVICE......

PLEASE TAKE TIME TO COMPLETE THE SURVEY FOR OUR UPCOMING CONTRACT TALKS
My link

 

[robbedagain]

thanks Roa for the link I completed my survey for it! Give us better scope/language protection, better sick, wages etc!

 

[700UW]

Jerry, Hemenway, McKeen, Harbinson

 

[nascarjoe]

I have said it before, and it bears repeating, so long as we have untrained, inexperienced and uneducated people as the vanguard of this union, the membership will suffer under its incompetance, regardless of the leadership's well intentions. The Executive Committee of the IAM look like a bunch of line workers, with maybe one college degree between the dozen of them. When I asked for the educational and professional background to various other people representing us in this forum, I hear silence. Again, the leadership maybe well intentioned people who are fervent true believers in their cause of trade unions, but when it comes to dealing with corporate lawyers and professional negotiators Management will use, we are at a serious disadvantage.

So Repeats Jester.

I'm talking about a couple bad apples, jester. The rest of the IAM is doing a good job. If you think your well educated enough to help the membership, by all means get involved! A college education may help, but is no way needed to be a good union representative. Integrity, dedication, and knowledge is just a few qualities that help be a good union rep.

 

[Jester]

Jester, you appear to be a smart enough fellow. Why don't you get on board & help us out ?

Mr. Callahan,

Thank-you for those kind words of support. Unfortunately, I do not believe the membership would be all that accepting of me in an official capacity, and I see my first meeting with the IAM hierarchy becoming something like the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzQxTfHtgY
(just mute the volume and add your own words to the discussion).

Besides if I came forward, My Dear Mister Roabilly would owe me a huge plate of Carolina BBQ along with all the fixings, and times are tough enough already for him to lavishly pay on a losing wager.

So Abjures Jester.

 

[freedom]

Oh yea he defeated us on the East coast & give us this pos contract that has cost jobs, displaced workers, gave us the lowest pay of the majors, loss of pay for sick time. Oh yea this is who we need NOT

cry me a river , you don't know the company your negoating with ... that's AMERICA WEST managment .. there's a REASON we have the lowest pay of any of the majors ...

if we hadn't settled on this lousy contract as you call it , we'd still have NO contract ...

but luckly for us , Ron Roth strong armed you , and now we're like DUH WINNING !!!

Ron Roth for commite !

 

[700UW]

Labor Relations are former EAST Executives and Management, they know exactly whom their dealing with, and they have gone up against them many times.

 

[joeypitmann]

So while I usually get on here to giive out correct information when I have it, and I dont respond to people that are just stirring the pot, I do have to respond to you. Where do you get your information from for clt? And why do you post completey untrue statements like they are fact? The facts are that clt has lost no ft positions, in fact the grievance committee just told us the other day that several ft agents are coming in this week. Many of those are pit guys. This board should be used to debate and educate the membership, not to spread lies that are completely not true. If you really want to educate the membership then check your info. Anyone from clt can tell you that we have lost no ft positions. So what gives?

Charlie, I think you should take some of your own advise! You should know what kind of information that you are spreading on these boards! In PHL no agent started on any level, let alone level 3 thats just ridiculous. The CC at the time GS had management call in every agent that was even considered to be on or close to being put on any level and inform them that the policy was going to be strictly enforced and to be aware of this upon further abuse of their lateness or sick time. This was called an intial discussion and it worked its way up from there! The same CC had good stewards that were abreast of these policies and procedures in place to represent their fellow agents when needed with a very high success rate.

The new CC, as I stated before ran his campaign on deception and false statements and it seems like it is taking a toll here with 15-20 terminations since his inception into office on 1-4-11. This is come to the fore-front here in PHL due to the new CC changing these stewards and appointing agents not stewards with less experience and knowledge at no fault of their own. In Int. alone, he appointed an agent that has not worked the ramp in 15 yrs (Catering Agent) and has never worked at Int. at all. I know this because that is my work area!

Now Charlie, if you consider this stirring the pot, well then don't respond but I am tired of being mis-represented by people that are misleading the younger generation and only have their own personal interests in mind. In CLT I believe there are way more senior agents then here in PHL so please take that in mind. These forums are for ALL topics not just the ones you plagiarize from a book!

 

[pjirish317]

Charlie, I think you should take some of your own advise! You should know what kind of information that you are spreading on these boards! In PHL no agent started on any level, let alone level 3 thats just ridiculous. The CC at the time GS had management call in every agent that was even considered to be on or close to being put on any level and inform them that the policy was going to be strictly enforced and to be aware of this upon further abuse of their lateness or sick time. This was called an intial discussion and it worked its way up from there! The same CC had good stewards that were abreast of these policies and procedures in place to represent their fellow agents when needed with a very high success rate.

The new CC, as I stated before ran his campaign on deception and false statements and it seems like it is taking a toll here with 15-20 terminations since his inception into office on 1-4-11. This is come to the fore-front here in PHL due to the new CC changing these stewards and appointing agents not stewards with less experience and knowledge at no fault of their own. In Int. alone, he appointed an agent that has not worked the ramp in 15 yrs (Catering Agent) and has never worked at Int. at all. I know this because that is my work area!

Now Charlie, if you consider this stirring the pot, well then don't respond but I am tired of being mis-represented by people that are misleading the younger generation and only have their own personal interests in mind. In CLT I believe there are way more senior agents then here in PHL so please take that in mind. These forums are for ALL topics not just the ones you plagiarize from a book!

joey,

I think that charlie brown was specificly talking about CLT. How was that stirring the pot? If you think you can help the membership in PHL, (if you currently are not) step up to help out, otherwise you are part of the problem also, just another employee whining and complaining, but not willing to do anything about it. And the plagiarism you speak of, he was qouting our CBA. I think for it to actually be plagiarism, he would have had to call it his own, he did not.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

cry me a river , you don't know the company your negoating with ... that's AMERICA WEST managment .. there's a REASON we have the lowest pay of any of the majors ...

if we hadn't settled on this lousy contract as you call it , we'd still have NO contract ...

but luckly for us , Ron Roth strong armed you , and now we're like DUH WINNING !!!

Ron Roth for commite !

How old are you?

 

[cltrat]

cry me a river , you don't know the company your negoating with ... that's AMERICA WEST managment .. there's a REASON we have the lowest pay of any of the majors ...

if we hadn't settled on this lousy contract as you call it , we'd still have NO contract ...

but luckly for us , Ron Roth strong armed you , and now we're like DUH WINNING !!!

Ron Roth for commite !

if we're winning, I sure hope we don't start losing any time soon

 

[The Janitor]

I'm talking about a couple bad apples, jester. The rest of the IAM is doing a good job. If you think your well educated enough to help the membership, by all means get involved! A college education may help, but is no way needed to be a good union representative. Integrity, dedication, and knowledge is just a few qualities that help be a good union rep.

An education never helped anyone on the sidelines. Give me Integrity, Determination, Committment, and Knowledge any day of the week over some pompus elitist who knows better as he sits on the couch.

That said, I fully support the negotiations team that was picked. It has some rough spots but now is the time for those who were picked to step up and respond. Good to have Stevie Miller back, O'Barr, Willis, Baskett, etc., to compliment the two fine AGC's that will head up the negotiations.

Even though PHX appears to continue having 'issues', it still needed representation on the negotiations team. Maybe that wasn't popular, but IMO it is wise. IMO, Prez was the clear choice over RR or CL. Perhaps that might not be saying much and is disputable but Prez would have been my pick over anyone esle in PHX. Nobody else in PHX was ready. Hopefully, Prez will respond to this responsibility.

In any case, we should put away any hard feelings and support this team. Solidarity is key to any successful negotiations.
Management needs to see your solidarity. I think a quick contract may be possible since this isn't exactly a bankruptcy situation. I also think our negotiation is strengthened if we continue being productive and professional on the job.

JMTS

 

[freedom]

An education never helped anyone on the sidelines. Give me Integrity, Determination, Committment, and Knowledge any day of the week over some pompus elitist who knows better as he sits on the couch.

That said, I fully support the negotiations team that was picked. It has some rough spots but now is the time for those who were picked to step up and respond. Good to have Stevie Miller back, O'Barr, Willis, Baskett, etc., to compliment the two fine AGC's that will head up the negotiations.

Even though PHX appears to continue having 'issues', it still needed representation on the negotiations team. Maybe that wasn't popular, but IMO it is wise. IMO, Prez was the clear choice over RR or CL. Perhaps that might not be saying much and is disputable but Prez would have been my pick over anyone esle in PHX. Nobody else in PHX was ready. Hopefully, Prez will respond to this responsibility.

In any case, we should put away any hard feelings and support this team. Solidarity is key to any successful negotiations.
Management needs to see your solidarity. I think a quick contract may be possible since this isn't exactly a bankruptcy situation. I also think our negotiation is strengthened if we continue being productive and professional on the job.

JMTS

Prez is accetable to me .... good to have him on board ...

however , i still feel that there's room on the commite for Ron Roth .... The New Direction leadership has already dropped the ball when it comes to the pension , i'd hate to see them continue to weaken themselves further .... It is my opinion that failure to make room on the commite for Ron Roth will degrade their standing with the memebership here in PHX and else where ....

 

[Jester]

I have been at the table, you dont want a lawyer or an account at the table, it wont do any good, the lawyers, accounts and specialists are better off in the background reviewing the data.

PS. US didnt use lawyers and accountants at the table either, they used them in the background.

700UW,

Well, after the problems with this CBA, something needs to change because what was being done in the past has not been working. The attendance policy alone should have raised immediate concerns, so someone was not doing their job. The group has been either incompetent or uneducated... you choose, and I'll give the benefit of a doubt as being uneducated.

I do not know the curriculum vitaes of management's team, but I would be stunned if any of them lacked a bachelors degree or better, and had extensive training and experience in labor relations. We have suffered as a result of this disadvantage during the negotiations, because Management has better experts from human resources, accounting, legal, and economics/finance. Change of Control anyone? Retroactive Attendance Policy anyone? Split Full-Time Shifts in Part-Time Shifts anyone? Less Healthcare Insurance Options anyone?

I understand the importance of "behind the scene" people who are the support staff during negotiations, but I also understand that keeping trained people out of the direct negotiations leads to the "telephone operator" effect of passing along discussions with important parts being left out in the process. The inability of the educated support staff to speak directly with the opposition and raise questions during the negotiations allows Management to manipulate the CBA to their advantage. Frankly, I want someone with a skeptical, critical eye parsing over every word in a CBA directly with Management and with the legal mentality and the confidence the language would stand-up before an arbitrator. That's not going to happen with a guy who spent the prior 20 years loading bags into a plane.

There is a place at the negotiating table for average blue collar types in terms of the issues which are important to the rank and file who are actually performing the work involved, especially in terms of safety matters, bid shifts, pay differentials, etc., but they should not be the ones negotiating the language of the contracts.

So Advises Jester.