IAM Fleet Service topic

[baggage engineer]

the IAM Pension trustees did rob us . obviously your a UA AGC so your group was never on the A scale and told by the International Rep
that your pension is guaranteed. What a bunch of BS but it worked and got the ramp to vote on a s*itty contract that also screwed the
class II cities, and the other thing is don't you so called Officers get a seperate pension than your membership that you represent.
I would like to see the officers take the same screwing that their membership takes maybe things would change a little or should
I say alot at the negotiations table.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Delaney is the boss. Unless someone else fired you. Mr Nelson, we should have won the United ramp by alot more than a dozen votes. Don't you remember how you played right into the scamsters hands when you answered their question and falsely pointed out that the IAM pension robbed you? The IAM pension trustees didn't rob anyone. In fact, you are still getting the same benefit until January 1, 2014. Only future benefits will be adjusted.

Cripes, you guys can't organize your way out of a closet. The problem is that alll the IAM does in organizing drives is S*hit the hell out of folks. You gotta remember that just because we work the ramp doesn't mean we are stupid, so most folks pick up on the BS. When the Teamsters brought up how the IAM pension trustees hammered thousands of members at 141, the INTL tried s*itting folks telling folks that the US AIRWAYS workers were actually going to come out better. Really???
We kicked the Teamster butt in that campaign because myself and other decent members were straight with the former teamster members and told them the truth that the IAM isn't perfect and that the IAM did in fact screw over the US AIRWAYS folks. Guess what, the former teamsters already knew it anyways, they just wanted us to shoot straight with them.

Try coming into my breakroom saying how the IAM pension trustees didn't screw over US AIRWAYS members. Maybe if you had your two IAM pensions rattled a bit you might understand.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[Tim Nelson]

the IAM Pension trustees did rob us . obviously your a UA AGC so your group was never on the A scale and told by the International Rep
that your pension is guaranteed. What a bunch of BS but it worked and got the ramp to vote on a s*itty contract that also screwed the
class II cities, and the other thing is don't you so called Officers get a seperate pension than your membership that you represent.
I would like to see the officers take the same screwing that their membership takes maybe things would change a little or should
I say alot at the negotiations table.

Yes. All AGC's and staff members like the Director of Organizing, continue their company contributions into the IAM pension, and also get a second IAM pension flipped by the members. Two pensions.

There is a reason why dues are going up again and it isn't because you are getting a raise.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[baggage engineer]

I guess thats why the AGC in my city didn't seem that concerned since his other pension I am sure more than
made up for what the pension fund took away. When is the trustees positions up for election would like to
send them a message at the voting polls that we at US haven't forgot what they did to us, hell we will
be reminded of it every month for the rest of lives. Thanks for nothing

 

[niblet]

I was told that you are in negotiations this week and these items will be addressed. Hopefully, those going to ATL will obtain positive space travel and other items to make things more employee friendly. I agree that the badging process is a violation of your agreement since it involves training. All I can tell you is that it is being worked on. Negotiations over the previously announced contracted out stations will also, so hopefully some of those stations can stay open. A grievance was filed and it appears that your company violated the agreement since it missed the time window of when it was suppose to announce station closings. Your AGC's are doing all that is asked. MC will not be on a new direction ticket this time.

By whom were you told these items would be addressed? I,m the one grieving these items that deal with ATL. No positive space was granted from here. I was told by the station managers in FLL and ATL, they are not allowed to help. They say they are doing what they are told. These decisions came from Labor Relations. One agent is returning from furlough. USAir wouldnt even fly him possitive space to CLT for finger printing or pay him for the time. Another grievence. Real issues in real time. No answers........ The company is not trying to work these issues out. The answer is just grieve it and see where that gets you. As for negotiations, since July what has happened? Havent seen any progress report

 

[niblet]

FYI... Go to the iam141.org website. What do you read? One line about USAirways negotiations. Go to the USAirways page. What do you read there? Last update was in OCT. Lets be real here. Even the website has United bias. Granted United has more employees, but should I be less of a dues paying member. Should I recieve any less support friom the district. And what did happen to our contract? Since the book came out we've been complaining that it was rewritten, with some verbage changed and some verbage removed. I would like to know why we cant get an answer on that issue. Since our contract doesnt reflect what we voted on, is it binding?

 

[john john]

Since our contract doesnt reflect what we voted on, is it binding?

DFR

 

[Harry Callahan]

Paying dues to the IAM is ....... waste.

 

[700UW]

Really?

Go ask the CSA and Fleet what happened in 1992 with no union!

Go ask the non-union workers at DL and AA how bankruptcy treated them, oh wait, the company did and can do whatever they want to them as they are non-union.

 

[IAM Member Here]

FYI... Go to the iam141.org website. What do you read? One line about USAirways negotiations. Go to the USAirways page. What do you read there? Last update was in OCT. Lets be real here. Even the website has United bias. Granted United has more employees, but should I be less of a dues paying member. Should I recieve any less support friom the district. And what did happen to our contract? Since the book came out we've been complaining that it was rewritten, with some verbage changed and some verbage removed. I would like to know why we cant get an answer on that issue. Since our contract doesnt reflect what we voted on, is it binding?

You are buying into Mr Nelson's scare tactics that the United airline members are treated different than your members. Typical of Nelson always crying that United is treated differently. Nobody has forgotten about you, especially not RD who realized he got voted in with your support. Your AGC's are working through the issues and just because they aren't telling you everything that comes down doesn't mean things aren't being worked out. Your AGC's have been very vocal with your concerns and we are looking into adding a 6th AGC to help with the backlog.

The 2% January misprint in your contract was an oversight by both sets of attorneys and was never bargained. We could arbitrate that but there isn't a great chance that we will win it since it was never bargined for. Understand? And there isn't any language which disappeared like Mr Nelson alleges. There were some small semantic changes that BC signed off on and agreed to before the ND got sworn in. Go talk to him and RC about all the disappearing acts because we want to know also.

One thing Mr Nelson may be right about is American Airlines and a merger with US. RD is committed to protecting the seniority of all usairways members and he will be working closely with the international and your AGC's over the coming months as things develop. One thing Mr Nelson isn't telling you is that we will need to win an organizing drive against the TWU if there is such a merger. Remember, if you vote the IAM out then you put your IAM pensions at further risk.

 

[pjirish317]

You are buying into Mr Nelson's scare tactics that the United airline members are treated different than your members. Typical of Nelson always crying that United is treated differently. Nobody has forgotten about you, especially not RD who realized he got voted in with your support. Your AGC's are working through the issues and just because they aren't telling you everything that comes down doesn't mean things aren't being worked out. Your AGC's have been very vocal with your concerns and we are looking into adding a 6th AGC to help with the backlog.

The 2% January misprint in your contract was an oversight by both sets of attorneys and was never bargained. We could arbitrate that but there isn't a great chance that we will win it since it was never bargined for. Understand? And there isn't any language which disappeared like Mr Nelson alleges. There were some small semantic changes that BC signed off on and agreed to before the ND got sworn in. Go talk to him and RC about all the disappearing acts because we want to know also.

One thing Mr Nelson may be right about is American Airlines and a merger with US. RD is committed to protecting the seniority of all usairways members and he will be working closely with the international and your AGC's over the coming months as things develop. One thing Mr Nelson isn't telling you is that we will need to win an organizing drive against the TWU if there is such a merger. Remember, if you vote the IAM out then you put your IAM pensions at further risk.

Please explain how we are not getting a 2% raise in January. According to Article 30, page 115 line 8 of the "New" contract, ....Note: ** Two (2%) percent pay increase assumed beyond the amendable date. It also has a Jan 2012** pay scale. So from my perspective, it is a winable grievance. Please explain to us regular folks how this can be read differently than it is written, and if it was not "bargained for", how and why was it put into our current contract booklet that the company and union looked over before it was given to the membership?

 

[Kev3188]

You are buying into Mr Nelson's scare tactics

Remember, if you vote the IAM out then you put your IAM pensions at further risk.

So you call Nelson out for "scare tactics," then do the same yourself?


I am as pro labor as the come, but you know what? I'm f**king sick of hearing "pension this, pension that." It's like a sword hanging over labor's head, and time and time again we give away the store to protect it. Enough already.

Here's an idea: negotiators need to relearn what Scope is, then go from there.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You are buying into Mr Nelson's scare tactics that the United airline members are treated different than your members. Typical of Nelson always crying that United is treated differently. Nobody has forgotten about you, especially not RD who realized he got voted in with your support. Your AGC's are working through the issues and just because they aren't telling you everything that comes down doesn't mean things aren't being worked out. Your AGC's have been very vocal with your concerns and we are looking into adding a 6th AGC to help with the backlog.

The 2% January misprint in your contract was an oversight by both sets of attorneys and was never bargained. We could arbitrate that but there isn't a great chance that we will win it since it was never bargined for. Understand? And there isn't any language which disappeared like Mr Nelson alleges. There were some small semantic changes that BC signed off on and agreed to before the ND got sworn in. Go talk to him and RC about all the disappearing acts because we want to know also.

One thing Mr Nelson may be right about is American Airlines and a merger with US. RD is committed to protecting the seniority of all usairways members and he will be working closely with the international and your AGC's over the coming months as things develop. One thing Mr Nelson isn't telling you is that we will need to win an organizing drive against the TWU if there is such a merger. Remember, if you vote the IAM out then you put your IAM pensions at further risk.

So you are saying that the company's attorneys overlooked a 2% pay raise and mistakenly placed that 2% in the contract? And that US AIRWAYS management printed the contracts and mistakenly gave the members an additional 2% pay raise? I can't imagine the company attorneys overlooking a 2% pay raise that clearly says "January 2012". At any rate, if what you say is correct, then our 'IAM 141 contracted out attorneys' who 'oversighted' a 2% pay raise need to be terminated.

Also, yeah yeah yeah, I heard the whole "Blame Canale" game is still going on and that BC signed some flimsy LOA agreeing to all of the contract changes BUT, if he did, then the LOA would be on file. When I ask my AGC if the letter of agreement is on file he says that he doesn't know. Surely, if BC signed off on all of these changes that the members didn't vote on, then please produce the LOA and stick it up on the webpage. That would end this discussion, would it not? Another problem is that when 2% in January really doesn't mean 2% in January, why is it that elected officials from within the union act like a company mouthpiece? But, when I ask a simple question about where the hell Addendum A went and why doesn't it say BDL and PVD is a class one station, my AGC says he doesn't know and that I should contact another AGC? R U FREAKN KIDDN ME????

And, it's nice to know that RD is considering adding a 6th AGC since that would bring down the per capita to about 1,000 members per AGC but that is still alot higher than the 600 members per AGC that United has. Having a minimum of 8 AGC"s for US AIRWAYS would help make things equal. RD promised this back in 08 that he was going to make things equal but he has done the exact opposite. Cripes, when was the last time he even bothered to go into CLT breakrooms? during the '10 elections?? He goes to SFO, DEN, ORD all the time and even has made trips to IAH now. CLT???? Oh yeah, I forgot, he will be there within 60 days of the nominations. Wasn't he the one who said, "If I only come around when I need your vote then you should vote for someone else?" Sheesh.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[blownkneesbob]

Please explain how we are not getting a 2% raise in January. According to Article 30, page 115 line 8 of the "New" contract, ....Note: ** Two (2%) percent pay increase assumed beyond the amendable date. It also has a Jan 2012** pay scale. So from my perspective, it is a winable grievance. Please explain to us regular folks how this can be read differently than it is written, and if it was not "bargained for", how and why was it put into our current contract booklet that the company and union looked over before it was given to the membership?

PJ check with your agc he's the same one that we have in clt. It was explained to us by our GC that its not a winnable grievance, so we just
have to live with it . You being a ND guy figured you were already informed if not I would ask WHY ? this was brought up by the company
at the last negotiations session

 

[blownkneesbob]

RD promised this back in 08 that he was going to make things equal but he has done the exact opposite. Cripes, when was the last time he even bothered to go into CLT breakrooms? during the '10 elections?? He goes to SFO, DEN, ORD all the time and even has made trips to IAH now. CLT???? Oh yeah, I forgot, he will be there within 60 days of the nominations. Wasn't he the one who said, "If I only come around when I need your vote then you should vote for someone else?" Sheesh.

regards,

Tim Nelson

Tim I can vouch for that statement , I was there when he stood in the ABR breakroom and said it. And you are also correct about the visits.
Has yet to attend a monthly union meeting , but I realize he is a very busy man with UA/CO Negotiations