IAM Fleet Service topic

[niblet]

So you are saying that the company's attorneys overlooked a 2% pay raise and mistakenly placed that 2% in the contract? And that US AIRWAYS management printed the contracts and mistakenly gave the members an additional 2% pay raise? I can't imagine the company attorneys overlooking a 2% pay raise that clearly says "January 2012". At any rate, if what you say is correct, then our 'IAM 141 contracted out attorneys' who 'oversighted' a 2% pay raise need to be terminated.

Also, yeah yeah yeah, I heard the whole "Blame Canale" game is still going on and that BC signed some flimsy LOA agreeing to all of the contract changes BUT, if he did, then the LOA would be on file. When I ask my AGC if the letter of agreement is on file he says that he doesn't know. Surely, if BC signed off on all of these changes that the members didn't vote on, then please produce the LOA and stick it up on the webpage. That would end this discussion, would it not? Another problem is that when 2% in January really doesn't mean 2% in January, why is it that elected officials from within the union act like a company mouthpiece? But, when I ask a simple question about where the hell Addendum A went and why doesn't it say BDL and PVD is a class one station, my AGC says he doesn't know and that I should contact another AGC? R U FREAKN KIDDN ME????

And, it's nice to know that RD is considering adding a 6th AGC since that would bring down the per capita to about 1,000 members per AGC but that is still alot higher than the 600 members per AGC that United has. Having a minimum of 8 AGC"s for US AIRWAYS would help make things equal. RD promised this back in 08 that he was going to make things equal but he has done the exact opposite. Cripes, when was the last time he even bothered to go into CLT breakrooms? during the '10 elections?? He goes to SFO, DEN, ORD all the time and even has made trips to IAH now. CLT???? Oh yeah, I forgot, he will be there within 60 days of the nominations. Wasn't he the one who said, "If I only come around when I need your vote then you should vote for someone else?" Sheesh.

regards,

Tim Nelson

I did hear that more AGC'S were going to be added. HUm when? Where are they coming from? Did we vote for them? Are they USAirways employees or are they United employees? Are they being hand selected by RD? Just more questions, oh ya what about the AGC'S that are out? Would'nt that bring us back to what number?

 

[niblet]

I have a copy of the TA here in front of me. HUMMMMM Page 10 of 11 has the 2012 2% increase.

 

[blue collar]

From what I've read here, seems to me that the 'misprint' is that the table should read Jul 2012, rather than Jan 2012. You will be getting a 2% raise in Jul if there is no TA reached. At least, thats how i read it, if you take them at their word that it's a misprint.

 

[niblet]

From what I've read here, seems to me that the 'misprint' is that the table should read Jul 2012, rather than Jan 2012. You will be getting a 2% raise in Jul if there is no TA reached. At least, thats how i read it, if you take them at their word that it's a misprint.

Its not a misprint. Its in the TA and the 2% in July also is in the TA. Same as the contract

 

[blownkneesbob]

when have we ever received a contractual raise in jul. answer NEVER. they way it was explained to me when this
rag came out was exactly the way its in the contract. That we will get a 2% in Jan as Scheduled. and then since
we gave up our snap backs from the previous contract they added an ADDITIONAL 2% raise in July . that was
like insurance to keep the company at the table. But now its a totally different story I smell a rat. But what I am
really disappointed in is why doesn't the membership know this by now. I work in a hub and found out a few weeks
ago but it appears that alot of the smaller stations haven't been told WHY. there's NO EXCUSE for not communicating
with your membership I remember that was one of the ND's platform points was to be transparent and keep
the membership informed when information became available to them. what else is out there that we don't
know about ?

 

[blownkneesbob]

One thing Mr Nelson may be right about is American Airlines and a merger with US. RD is committed to protecting the seniority of all usairways members and he will be working closely with the international and your AGC's over the coming months as things develop. One thing Mr Nelson isn't telling you is that we will need to win an organizing drive against the TWU if there is such a merger. Remember, if you vote the IAM out then you put your IAM pensions at further risk.

Please tell us Oh great one exactly how does RD plan on protecting our seniority. the track record between the TWU and IAM has the TWU horses about 3 lenghths ahead. What makes this upcoming merger any
different. As far as organizing goes. I can tell ya from the floor in my work area there are quite a few folks ready to give the TWU a spin and there reasons are all similar . They are tired of all lies/misunderstandiings
lack of communication and just plan ineptness . So please shed some light on the future of USairways ramp under the promises of PROTECTIONS from the IAM

 

[IAM Member Here]

when have we ever received a contractual raise in jul. answer NEVER. they way it was explained to me when this
rag came out was exactly the way its in the contract. That we will get a 2% in Jan as Scheduled. and then since
we gave up our snap backs from the previous contract they added an ADDITIONAL 2% raise in July . that was
like insurance to keep the company at the table. But now its a totally different story I smell a rat. But what I am
really disappointed in is why doesn't the membership know this by now. I work in a hub and found out a few weeks
ago but it appears that alot of the smaller stations haven't been told WHY. there's NO EXCUSE for not communicating
with your membership I remember that was one of the ND's platform points was to be transparent and keep
the membership informed when information became available to them. what else is out there that we don't
know about ?

Each local chairman was briefed and each AGC communicates to each local chairman to keep everyone informed. It is the local chairman's responsibility to brief his members. If that isn't happening, then all I can tell you to do is contact your AGC.

 

[pjirish317]

Its not a misprint. Its in the TA and the 2% in July also is in the TA. Same as the contract

niblet,

I am going to look for a copy of the TA tomorrow, if I can't find my copy, would you mind emailing me yours? I will PM you with my email addres. Also, I will file the grievance for the 2% raise in January. January 20th to be exact. That is the first full pay period in January 2012. In fact, I think every station should file their own grievance on the same day. Although, it will take at least 4 years or more to get heard at arbitration. I appreciate all that the AGC's do, and there is no way that I want or could do their job, and I support 4 out of 5 ND AGC's. With that said, something just dosen't add up with this. If the 2% "assumed" raise in January of 2012 is in the TA, then it had to have been bargained for, and not a "TYPO", and should be pursued to the fullest extent possible.

Two Words

Equitable Estoppel

 

[niblet]

Each local chairman was briefed and each AGC communicates to each local chairman to keep everyone informed. It is the local chairman's responsibility to brief his members. If that isn't happening, then all I can tell you to do is contact your AGC.

Explain what they were briefed on. I'm the local chair and I dont have an AGC. I have not been briefed on anything. I was told that Gil Simmons was going to be the fill in AGC for my region. I called the number on the DL web page to get a full mailbox. I called every AGC on the page and did get two to answer their phones. They refered me back to Gil. Can you tell me what we are supposed to be briefed on. I have the TA. It reads the 2% jan2012 and it reads 2% july 1st if a contract hasnt been settled.

 

[saywhat]

Explain what they were briefed on. I'm the local chair and I dont have an AGC. I have not been briefed on anything. I was told that Gil Simmons was going to be the fill in AGC for my region. I called the number on the DL web page to get a full mailbox. I called every AGC on the page and did get two to answer their phones. They refered me back to Gil. Can you tell me what we are supposed to be briefed on. I have the TA. It reads the 2% jan2012 and it reads 2% july 1st if a contract hasnt been settled.

you need to look at the TA again. The column on page 10 of 11 looks like this.

2%
Jul 2012**

$10.07
11.12
12.00
12.70
13.23
15.42
15.70
16.59
17.57
18.86
19.44
19.91
20.57

It says July people.

 

[Jester]

As far as organizing goes. I can tell ya from the floor in my work area there are quite a few folks ready to give the TWU a spin and there reasons are all similar .

Another "discussion" between the IAM and TWU in the future? "Seasons Beatings" and let's have some Holiday Punch while we are at it.

So Foretells Jester.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Explain what they were briefed on. I'm the local chair and I dont have an AGC. I have not been briefed on anything. I was told that Gil Simmons was going to be the fill in AGC for my region. I called the number on the DL web page to get a full mailbox. I called every AGC on the page and did get two to answer their phones. They refered me back to Gil. Can you tell me what we are supposed to be briefed on. I have the TA. It reads the 2% jan2012 and it reads 2% july 1st if a contract hasnt been settled.

I contacted my AGC and he didn't have a clue about all the disappearances of the contract, so how would he be informing anyone?? What chaps my arse is that these guys become company mouthpieces for the company when the company wants them to clarify the 'misprints' that go against the company. But when we ask our AGC's where are some of the things that seemed to have disappeared from the contract, i.e., PVD and BDL being class 1 stations, they tell us that they don't know and to ask another AGC. Is anyone on here from BDL or PVD? What has your AGC told you?

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[niblet]

Another "discussion" between the IAM and TWU in the future? "Seasons Beatings" and let's have some Holiday Punch while we are at it.

So Foretells Jester.

I for one do not want to get into a voting match with AA TWU. They support their union and do not give any other workers coming in to their group any senority. I'll agree that if this happens and we are to lose to the TWU, kiss or senority goodbye!! This is still an issue over at SWA and ATran. The TWU does not want to give any senority. They believe since they are 5 times greater they should have a 5 to 1 senority ratio.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I for one do not want to get into a voting match with AA TWU. They support their union and do not give any other workers coming in to their group any senority. I'll agree that if this happens and we are to lose to the TWU, kiss or senority goodbye!! This is still an issue over at SWA and ATran. The TWU does not want to give any senority. They believe since they are 5 times greater they should have a 5 to 1 senority ratio.

Each time there has been a battle of TWU vs IAM, the IAM members came out on the short side of the stick, and plenty of it.

At AA: IAM members get so screwed that the US government had to create a law to try to even the playing field. Who would have ever thought that Roach would screw his own and sign off on scope for a promise from AMR Boss Carty? Food for thought: And then Roach gets promoted after his management deal at AMR in bankruptcy. Then he proceeds to lose 80,000 members in the union and gets promoted to S/T last month. You know what that means? The boys at the INTL don't give a rats arse about the members, that's what that means.

At US/AW: The IAM, under the direction of Roach/Canale agrees to pay the TWU $500,000 over 4 years, and agrees to dump US east profit sharing into the hands of former TWU members [nothing against the former westies], who were still under their old contract, in return, the TWU walked away.

At WN/Airtran: Remains to be seen.

At US/AMR: remains to be seen. But we can't exchange any profit sharing this time since the IAM already dumped that out of our contract. What are they going to deal away this time?? IAM members have been burnt to crisp repeatedly with the TWU/IAM matchup and we can't afford to sit on the sidelines and support folks who don't have any seniority on the line and have proven not to give a rats arse about LCC seniority.

The TWU has historically included 'sacredity' clauses in their contracts. At AA or WN, they have sacredity clauses that say that their members can't be adversely affected in a merger. no IAM contracts have incorporated such protections for their members but that is something that is NUMBER 1 for my team, i.e., incorporating a sacredity clause for our members to protect them and their families during mergers. It's just not right to go through mergers wondering if your seniority is going to be recognized. Not if you are a union member. In this industry, the number 1 job of any union should be to protect your job and the seniority that comes with it, while maintaining or enhancing the wage/benefits. Our union screwed the hell out of us on that by doing the exact opposite and hammering its members. Instead of negotiating seniority protections, our union leadership sided with management and 'hammered' all workers who were exposed to being laid off. Amazingly, the UA IAM Leaders were screwing your seniority even without mergers. If someone had 30 years of seniority but then got laid off for more than 60 days, and was recalled, the person went 'day one' for pay. And I could go on with how the IAM has completely raped its members. That said, whether it's the IAM, TWU, IBT, all of them are in sore need of getting the hell out from under management's desk. We have the IAM so we go with it and try to make it better. But we have to smash down the paradigm that Canale and Delaney use. There is a fault in that paradigm so it won't matter who the President of the District is unless we first smash down the representational model that both of them support. The platform my team is proposing to the membership is smashing down the whole paradigm that has made the US and UA members the least in the industry and the least on their particular properties. There is absolutely no reason why US rampers need to be the only group without profit sharing. There is no reason why they need to fall farther and farther behind the upstairs. And I got news for you, it's about damn time we get a leader who also realizes that rampers need to share in commissions also, just like customer service folks do. Those bag fees need to be shared. Those priority bag benefits to customers that puts their bags on the belt first, need to come with additional compensation/commission to rampers. Commissions shouldn't only be paid to customer service folks. We have alot of straigtening up to do but most of us are still too young to retire but too old to find another job so we have time to clean up this big mess that the UA 141 Presidents created since they don't give a rat's arse about you.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[Kev3188]

Each time there has been a battle of TWU vs IAM, the IAM members came out on the short side of the stick, and plenty of it.

At AA: IAM members get so screwed that the US government had to create a law to try to even the playing field. Who would have ever thought that Roach would screw his own and sign off on scope for a promise from AMR Boss Carty? Food for thought: And then Roach gets promoted after his management deal at AMR in bankruptcy. Then he proceeds to lose 80,000 members in the union and gets promoted to S/T last month. You know what that means? The boys at the INTL don't give a rats arse about the members, that's what that means.

... Which is all the more interesting considering he came from TW...

I'd also add the (almost) complete deletion of LLP's from NW's CBA's, and the fumbling of the organizing campaign after the merger w/DL. Both under Roach's watch.

I don't know if Pantoja (another TW alum) will be any better, but I can't imagine he'll be much worse.