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Tim,

I can't speak for whether the TA was the end all or not. I am vaguely familiar with the fact that there were some discrepancies with the new CBA. Tim, there are omissions which I would hope that past negotiators could answer but when it comes to the 2% raise the TA is clear on that. I also know how the contract reads on adequately bound contracts etc., whether that should have been changed, ask a past negotiator. Tim, you have a lot of good ideas and make a lot of valid points but I think you are letting your agenda get to you. Why haven't you announced the ticket? Do you have another MC on the new team?
MC? You talking about the AGC who MF yielded to as more informative? Actually, I wanted MC off the last ticket but MF fought for him. Ask BK. At any rate, I have always yielded to others when it came to District positions and have always supported folks who I thought would do a good job. For whatever reason, the ND just didn't produce anywhere. I'm not saying all of the folks on the ND are bad guys or poor union reps, but rather they haven't made a difference because, imo, they think Delaney is their boss and not the masses. Trust me, there was alot of talk about this towards me when many of them approached me as a brother/sister and we talked about it and the reason why I couldn't support Delaney anymore. I don't hate those guys, many of them are much finer human beings than myself. I was probably one of the two or three arseholes of the bunch. Nonetheless, it didn't work out and it's in the past.

I'm excited about having the opportunity to have my own ticket for the first time and to share my beliefs and platform with other brothers and sisters who sign on to it. My ticket is not complete so I haven't announced it. Alot of very hard work still has to happen.

Another MC? Gosh I hope not because MC truly dialed it out. But, IMO, there was alot of history as to why MC dialed out. He started out strong against RH, the attendance policy, and the contract discrepencies until Delaney put the hammer down on him for it. I don't know what the reason was but he became discouraged and tuned out for no good excuse. He should have just resigned but he didn't.

At any rate, you are very familiar with the contract discrepencies because that letter was just pulled down from the webpage a couple months ago. Say What, why not just come out of the closet and post with your own name? Why the fuss?

I still think your position is incredibly weak on these contract discrepencies. You came out strong about the 2% and was a great company mouthpiece, but when it came to all of the ommissions, you say "talk to previous negotiators.". I think we are paying our leaders enough to expect answers from them. If someone has to talk to someone to find out about BDL and PVD and the hose of other ommissions then our AGC's need to start picking up the phone and making the calls. It's the least they can do. BTW, I'm going to ask you for about the 4th time, is PVD and BDL a class one station? Again, you were quick to having a wealth of knowledge about the 2% so why can't you answer a simple question about the disappearing act of Addendum A? You will hear this in the breakrooms once my team mobilizes so you will not be able to run from this question and plenty of other questions....in time.

regards,

Tim nelson
 
Does anyone have a list of the priority of the survey we did a while back. No one ever mentioned anything about secretory clauses would that
have been under seniority or under scope/language. either way does anyone know where those items fall on the priority list from the survey
Tim appreciate the information you have put on here you seem to know what your talking about my question to you is where have you been
and why didn't you inform people of some of these issues when we were doing the surveys for the negotiations team. I really like your idea of
having observers in negotiations I mean who knows if they are even going off our wishes or not
 
Does anyone have a list of the priority of the survey we did a while back. No one ever mentioned anything about secretory clauses would that
have been under seniority or under scope/language. either way does anyone know where those items fall on the priority list from the survey
Tim appreciate the information you have put on here you seem to know what your talking about my question to you is where have you been
and why didn't you inform people of some of these issues when we were doing the surveys for the negotiations team. I really like your idea of
having observers in negotiations I mean who knows if they are even going off our wishes or not
I was out in the field fighting Ford and Harrison at Airtran and fighting the Teamsters at United. Cripes, I couldn't be everywhere. I can't be the Center, Forward, and guard of the team at the same time. When I was out in the field, I hadn't the time to take up representational issues however I did light into Delaney and ask him what the hell he was doing not securing the survey. Everything was/is, half arse and unprofessional. Me and him got into it TONS OF TIMES and one was the half arse survey they put out that anyone, even management could fill out. Every other union secures surveys, especially the sacred ones that deal with negotiations. It really didn't matter anyways since Delaney will just do whatever management says.

At any rate, before Delaney fired me, one of the AGC's did tell me the top responses and I'm 100% sure that seniority was actually in the top 5. Ask your negotiators if they are negotiating anything to do with seniority? If Brickner was in negotiations, I doubt it since he doesnt like to piss off management.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
2. Continental/United merger: The MBA does not apply since there were representational disputes. In each case, a union could trigger a representational dispute because it had more than 35%. Notice, a representational dispute will force a choice between two unions. Correct? This will also be true with US/AMR fleet service since the IAM will represent about 6,400, and the TWU will represent around 9,000 or less. THere will be an election. Bottom line. The significance of an election is that after an election there will only be one union chosen. Thus, under the MBA, it does not apply when both sets of employees have the same union.

Tim,

I am not so sure that is true... a representational dispute would need to be settled before seniority integration could be decided if the minority party is more than 35%, but less than 50% of the total workforce? Although I could see the difficulty of resolving seniority integration before deciding upon one union, maybe it would be the duty of the two different unions to find an agreeable compromise or require it to be sent to arbitration within 20 days as required within the of MBA? I would like to see the citation you are using which requires an election for one representation before the resolution of the seniority matter.

Also it should be clear that MBA only enacted Sections 3 and 13 as they related to the otherwise obsolete Allegheny-Mohawk order, which state as follows:

Section 3. Insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the employees affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be submitted by either party for adjustment in accordance with section 13.

Section 13. (a) In the event that any dispute or controversy (except as to matters arising under section 9) arises with respect to the protections provided herein which cannot be settle by the parties within 20 days after the controversy arises, it may be referred by any party to an arbitrator selected from a panel of seven names furnished by the National Mediation Board for consideration and determination. The parties shall select the arbitrator from such panel by alternatively striking names until only one remains, and he shall serve as arbitrator. Expedited hearings and decisions will be expected, and a decision shall be rendered within 90 days after the controversy arises, unless an extension of time it is mutually agreeable to all parties. The salary and expenses of the arbitrator shall be borne equally by the carrier and (i) the organization or organizations representing employee or employees or (ii) if unrepresented, the employee or employees or group or groups of employees. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding on the parties.

(b.) The above condition shall not apply if the parties by mutual agreement determine that an alternative method for dispute settlement or an alternative procedure for selection of an arbitrator is appropriate in their particular dispute. No party shall be excused from complying with the above condition by reason of having suggested an alternative method or procedure unless and until that alternative method or procedure shall have been agreed to by all parties.


(It should be noted that that aforementioned Section 9 relates to reimbursement of housing, rental home expense, etc. and not only no longer valid, but immaterial to to the discussion at hand.)

No where Sections 3 or 13 does it state a required election, and you seem to be the only one on the board who insist that MBA does not apply, or for that matter within the IAM leadership. Furthermore, there appears to be no dispute in the example you provided amongst the IAM, IBT or the combined United/Continental management which haved accepted MBA as the underlying framework for seniority integration:

"
Labor Protection Provisions and Interim Agreements
According to (Senior Vice President-Labor Relations, P. Douglas) McKeen, all of the affected employees are entitled under the McCaskill-Bond legislation to the benefit of Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions formerly issued by the Civil Aeronautics Board. McKeen further states that most of the existing CBAs include a contractual obligation to the same effect."

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2011/38n041.pdf

I think you are making some assumptions, and indirectly de facto implications of complete ineptitude by the IAM leadership if you are, in fact, correct about how MBA does not apply, as you have warned them under the condition for which it would not apply. As much as I have disregard and distrust the present IAM leadership, I would find it difficult to believe they would not investigate your understanding of MBA, especially given importance of possible integration.

So Conveys Jester.
 
Tim,

I am not so sure that is true... a representational dispute would need to be settled before seniority integration could be decided if the minority party is more than 35%, but less than 50% of the total workforce? Although I could see the difficulty of resolving seniority integration before deciding upon one union, maybe it would be the duty of the two different unions to find an agreeable compromise or require it to be sent to arbitration within 20 days as required within the of MBA? I would like to see the citation you are using which requires an election for one representation before the resolution of the seniority matter.

Also it should be clear that MBA only enacted Sections 3 and 13 as they related to the otherwise obsolete Allegheny-Mohawk order, which state as follows:

Section 3. Insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the employees affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be submitted by either party for adjustment in accordance with section 13.

Section 13. (a) In the event that any dispute or controversy (except as to matters arising under section 9) arises with respect to the protections provided herein which cannot be settle by the parties within 20 days after the controversy arises, it may be referred by any party to an arbitrator selected from a panel of seven names furnished by the National Mediation Board for consideration and determination. The parties shall select the arbitrator from such panel by alternatively striking names until only one remains, and he shall serve as arbitrator. Expedited hearings and decisions will be expected, and a decision shall be rendered within 90 days after the controversy arises, unless an extension of time it is mutually agreeable to all parties. The salary and expenses of the arbitrator shall be borne equally by the carrier and (i) the organization or organizations representing employee or employees or (ii) if unrepresented, the employee or employees or group or groups of employees. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding on the parties.

(b.) The above condition shall not apply if the parties by mutual agreement determine that an alternative method for dispute settlement or an alternative procedure for selection of an arbitrator is appropriate in their particular dispute. No party shall be excused from complying with the above condition by reason of having suggested an alternative method or procedure unless and until that alternative method or procedure shall have been agreed to by all parties.


(It should be noted that that aforementioned Section 9 relates to reimbursement of housing, rental home expense, etc. and not only no longer valid, but immaterial to to the discussion at hand.)

No where Sections 3 or 13 does it state a required election, and you seem to be the only one on the board who insist that MBA does not apply, or for that matter within the IAM leadership. Furthermore, there appears to be no dispute in the example you provided amongst the IAM, IBT or the combined United/Continental management which haved accepted MBA as the underlying framework for seniority integration:

"
Labor Protection Provisions and Interim Agreements
According to (Senior Vice President-Labor Relations, P. Douglas) McKeen, all of the affected employees are entitled under the McCaskill-Bond legislation to the benefit of Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions formerly issued by the Civil Aeronautics Board. McKeen further states that most of the existing CBAs include a contractual obligation to the same effect."

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2011/38n041.pdf

I think you are making some assumptions, and indirectly de facto implications of complete ineptitude by the IAM leadership if you are, in fact, correct about how MBA does not apply, as you have warned them under the condition for which it would not apply. As much as I have disregard and distrust the present IAM leadership, I would find it difficult to believe they would not investigate your understanding of MBA, especially given importance of possible integration.

So Conveys Jester.

Item 1: Your suggestion of the 20 days is unfounded legally, plus I think you must have misread the MBA since the time frame is 6 months if there is no superseding trigger. It would make no sense, legally, to do so when representational disputes come almost immediately after a single carrier ruling. A current model of the process is the Districts current UA PCE campaign. I would expect a single carrier ruling before Christmas, then shortly thereafter, usually two weeks, a representational dispute ruling.

McKeen is right in that all of the affected employees are under the MBA. It's a federal law so it is certainly recognized. However, the law has superseding exception clauses that render it void. Therefore, we can say with 'certainty' that it simply has not and will not be applied to the cases I mentioned, nor will it apply to the other presumed cases I mentioned. Let me first start by listing the actual law....with the exception I have referenced:

McCaskill Amendent
CONSOLIDATED APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2008
HR 2764
SEC. 117. LABOR INTEGRATION.
(a) LABOR INTEGRATION.—With respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered air
carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act
(45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil
Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to
the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers; except that—
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at each
of the covered air carriers, that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding
integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this
section.


That's the given.

While it is true that the MBA will affect employees, we see that part of that affect, in application, is if the combined unit has the same bargaining agent, there is no application of the MBA and that the unions internal union policy becomes the application through superseding. Yes?

Further, the process of determining seniority comes immediately after single carrier, unless there is a representational dispute. If there is a representational dispute, then there will only be one union. Seniority questions are never answered before representational elections and single carrier.

My interpretation of the law is not founded on my opinion but founded on the application of the law in the airline cases since the law.

1. MBA application under the CO/UA merger is a good model to use for models that have representational disputes. The internal policy of the AFA will determine the stews. The internal policy of the IAM will determine the ramp. ALPA's internal policy will determine the Pilots. And management will determine the non union.

2. OTOH, when there is no representational dispute, there is no superseding of internal union policies, unless both employee groups have the same union. Let's look more closely at the Airtran/Southwest model.

A. Customer service at Airtran & Southwest are both IAM.
Regardless of party, the IAM's policy will still supersede the MBA.

B. WN Ramp TWU, Airtran ramp IAM.
MBA applies insomuch as there is no contract that the MBA violates [that's another exception that I didn't quote in the above citation]. Thus, the TWU at WN has a clause in its contract that demands arbitration after 6 months of initial negotiations with another union. The IAM and the TWU have been negotiating seniority for about 5 months now. Thus, the seniority process, as obligated by the TWU contract will be determined rather soon, MBA or not. So, either way, that seniority will go to arbitration if there is no agreement soon.

As with any law, there are some parties that try to circumvent it or break it, thus, some MBA applications have ended up in court. When Republic bought Midwest Express, it extinquished and abolished the flying certificate and the operating license of Midwest. Thus, I believe the IBT stapled the former midwest stews to the bottom if they were rehired and initially argued that Midwest doesn't even exist and that the AFA has no right to represent them. I'm not too familiar with the recent outcome of that case but if you have time to read it, try googling it and I'd be interested to know what happened.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
McCaskill-Bond is used for all airline mergers, it is followed.


Courts reaffirm this.

Story

And the salaries are set by the bylaws, you cant change anything unless the membership proposes a bylaw change.

And you wont be able to negotiate unless you sign a confidentiality agreement, the company will not disclose financial information to the union and the negotiators unless you sign one.

How many negotiation committees and contracts have you been part of and negotiated?

Attorneys and actuaries are part of negotiations, the actuaries are there and attorneys are used on a as need basis.
Sorry 700, I think I left out the whole MBA response to you. Yes, MBA is the federal law. No, it wont apply since it has the exceptions that explicitly allow an internal union policy to supersede the requirements under MBA when two groups have the same union. That's why it was superseded in all cases at UA/CO and at any AA/US. Me and Jester are discussing this and what it means, feel free to jump in.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
Tim,

Section 3. Insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the employees affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be submitted by either party for adjustment in accordance with section 13.
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So Conveys Jester.

another interesting case, Jester, is the stock clerks at CO. They didn't have 35% and they were non union, and the NMB extended the IAM's certification over them, so now the IAM represents both parties and the internal union policy supersedes. I find this case interesting, since the MBA is silent on non represented groups and so far no management team has advocated and pressed the MBA against any of its unions for the sake of the non union. The MBA was crafted with the intent of a wrestling match between two unions. I'm not saying the non union folks may not have a fight, but so far, management hasn't tried to press the issue and force MBA on its unions. Maybe there may be a situation where management may challenge one of its unions and fight for a small non union group, dunno, but I don't think we heard the last of the MBA for small non union groups. IMO, there is a case, IMO, that the MBA applies to the non union also, it's just hard to unpack it since there are no cases yet as management hasn't fought any of its unions on this matter. At least not that I know of.

That is why it was imperative that the airtran workers get unionized. If we didn't organize them, the rampers would have just ended up being subject to the TWU internal policy, which is bad news for them. If the airtran rampers were non union, I couldn't imagine airtran management fighting for their seniority against their unions. Management doesn't give a rats arse and doesn't want to delay a merger and burn more money.

Also, please understand Jester, that the MBA was a political creation also. Those who drafted it, like most of the laws in this country, have loopholes. The NMB processes of representational disputes will almost always render the MBA of no affect because of the superseding issues crafted in the act. I mean, it sounds GREAT when a union leader tries to itch ears and say "Don't worry about the TWU and AMR, things have changed since the IAM got its arse handed to it at TWA." Such BS gives the masses comfort, until they hear the truth. Why would a union leader say such lies? Because by the time folks figure out the truth it will be too late and the unions can make deals with eachother or the airlines. You should never cease to be amazed at how the IAM wants to continue keeping folks ignorant. I remember back in '03 I told folks about the IAM pension plan and it was a ponzie scheme. Maybe some of those post are still on this site. But I hadn't the resources or time as an individual to fight the entire organization on the ignorance they were spewing. Then, along came the 1113 lettters. The IAM, told the members that as long as they voted in their contract, that the 1113 letters that the company signed would prevent the company coming back for more. Again, I tried to shout out to folks that that was a lie and that the company could just do some legal procedures and come right back for more. Cripes, they came back twice more. I'm tired of the lies and the ignorance that the IAM leadership amazingly continues to spew. But mark my words, the US rampers better darn well get sacredity clauses in their contract. We can talk pay, job security, vacation, whatever, if you don't have sacredity going through a merger with AMR, then it's all going to be up for grabs and it won't matter how much money you bring home to your family if you don't have a job.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
Tim,

....
It's all about knowledge, Jester. The union and the airlines want to keep the masses ignorant. In simple terms, the masses don't even have any idea which end is up in their contract now. Over the past week, we have heard that the contract yields to the TA. The TA yields to the scribbled notes. But the scribbled notes yield to the previous negotiator. So, when I ask the question about BDL or PVD being class 1 stations, our leadership punts the ball back to the negotiators of 1999, and washes its hands. What knowledge have their shared with the Labor advisory board meetings? Why does our membership have to go to the web pages of the CWA to find out?
Why doesn't the membership know about the grievances that are being handled? The bylaws say that the President has to give quarterly reports of grievances....Canale did....why hasn't Delaney or his AGC's? What did the survey turn up? What was the "Top 5" responses? What are we negotiating now and where are they at other than them saying 'things are progressing?'. Why am I the one who has to set a few AGC's straight and unpack the MBA rightly?

I would submit to you, it's all to keep the masses ignorant or lame like sheep and not strong like oxen.

The choice that the masses will have this time will be a choice of philosophy and not the choice of a name only. The masses can stick to the present course or it can vote for a complete paradigm shift and be represented how other unions represent folks.

1. Having an attorney PRESENT in every negotiations and arbitration session is a MUST. The other two tickets refuse this because of the perks, limo rides, executive suites, etc., that are associated with outside law firms.
2. Approx $500,000 in salary cuts through officer pledges. These guys make more than attorneys do and most don't have anything other than a HS diploma. There is no reason why I should make $126,000 on your backs. I'm going to pledge back $50,000 myself, as me and my S/T have both signed on to that. The AGC's as well on our ticket.
3. For the first time, having a President who refuses to sign LOA without the membership consent. This is huge and smashes down secrecy and brings more power to the masses and away from the airline.
4. For the first time, refuse to sign confidentiality forms. This means that the President can come boldly to the masses and be transparent with negotiations. Again, takes power away from management and brings it to the masses.
5. For the first time, allow employee observers in negotiations to see how your negotiations team and everything works. Again, transparency.
6. Hubs have their own AGC who is not responsible for 4 or 5 other stations. This is made possible with shared resources.
7. Bring equal treatment to our US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters by realizing the broken promise of Delaney. Bring the AGC total to at least 8 AGC's which is close to the same per capita as United ramp.
8. Streamline over another $1 million in deadweight that is being blown on the members dime. For instance, why does DL141 need two corporate offices? Being a District employee has shown me how there is so much blown money that it is ridiculous indeed.
9. Dump the savings back to the locals so that the locals will not be as pressed to have to raise dues again and will be able to grow the education of their shop stewards or delegates.

etc.

Those are all things that we can do and will do as part of the platform of the ticket I'm supporting. Of course, I think those things are essential. Getting the majority of voters to agree to those essential things in unionism is an entirely different matter since there will be 2 other tickets fighting for control and darn sure don't want the above to come to pass.

regards.

Tim Nelson
 
It's all about knowledge, Jester. The union and the airlines want to keep the masses ignorant. In simple terms, the masses don't even have any idea which end is up in their contract now. Over the past week, we have heard that the contract yields to the TA. The TA yields to the scribbled notes. But the scribbled notes yield to the previous negotiator. So, when I ask the question about BDL or PVD being class 1 stations, our leadership punts the ball back to the negotiators of 1999, and washes its hands. What knowledge have their shared with the Labor advisory board meetings? Why does our membership have to go to the web pages of the CWA to find out?
Why doesn't the membership know about the grievances that are being handled? The bylaws say that the President has to give quarterly reports of grievances....Canale did....why hasn't Delaney or his AGC's? What did the survey turn up? What was the "Top 5" responses? What are we negotiating now and where are they at other than them saying 'things are progressing?'. Why am I the one who has to set a few AGC's straight and unpack the MBA rightly?

I would submit to you, it's all to keep the masses ignorant or lame like sheep and not strong like oxen.

The choice that the masses will have this time will be a choice of philosophy and not the choice of a name only. The masses can stick to the present course or it can vote for a complete paradigm shift and be represented how other unions represent folks.

1. Having an attorney PRESENT in every negotiations and arbitration session is a MUST. The other two tickets refuse this because of the perks, limo rides, executive suites, etc., that are associated with outside law firms.
2. Approx $500,000 in salary cuts through officer pledges. These guys make more than attorneys do and most don't have anything other than a HS diploma. There is no reason why I should make $126,000 on your backs. I'm going to pledge back $50,000 myself, as me and my S/T have both signed on to that. The AGC's as well on our ticket.
3. For the first time, having a President who refuses to sign LOA without the membership consent. This is huge and smashes down secrecy and brings more power to the masses and away from the airline.
4. For the first time, refuse to sign confidentiality forms. This means that the President can come boldly to the masses and be transparent with negotiations. Again, takes power away from management and brings it to the masses.
5. For the first time, allow employee observers in negotiations to see how your negotiations team and everything works. Again, transparency.
6. Hubs have their own AGC who is not responsible for 4 or 5 other stations. This is made possible with shared resources.
7. Bring equal treatment to our US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters by realizing the broken promise of Delaney. Bring the AGC total to at least 8 AGC's which is close to the same per capita as United ramp.
8. Streamline over another $1 million in deadweight that is being blown on the members dime. For instance, why does DL141 need two corporate offices? Being a District employee has shown me how there is so much blown money that it is ridiculous indeed.
9. Dump the savings back to the locals so that the locals will not be as pressed to have to raise dues again and will be able to grow the education of their shop stewards or delegates.

etc.

Those are all things that we can do and will do as part of the platform of the ticket I'm supporting. Of course, I think those things are essential. Getting the majority of voters to agree to those essential things in unionism is an entirely different matter since there will be 2 other tickets fighting for control and darn sure don't want the above to come to pass.

regards.

Tim Nelson
Mr Nelson,
BDL and PVD have been class 2 stations since before 2005. You were very good at laying this blame on Canale so why are you laying it on us now? Those items and many other items in your contract have disappeared and I don't like it any more than you do. The language disappeared without any tentative agreements or letters of understanding being signed. So quit laying the blame on us, place it on Canale where it belongs. We are presently in negotiations and I will assure you that we will be re-addressing these items in negotiations.

Also, it's amazing how I leave this page for a few days and you have had the opportunity to talk up some merger at us airways that doesn't even exist, just so you can claim that the IAM is going to lay over and not invoke the McCaskill Bond. The McCaskill Bond protects every employee in every merger and there is no exclusion that says it doesn't protect us airways employees. We will be sure to invoke it against the TWU or any other union which thinks that our us airways buddies will be taking a back seat in seniority.

As far as your platform, remember, we have already taken salary cuts by refusing to take pay raises, since we have been in office. I'm sure we will again when we meet in January to forumulate our political ticket. Your ticket isn't the only ticket that understands salary cuts.
 
Mr Nelson,
BDL and PVD have been class 2 stations since before 2005. You were very good at laying this blame on Canale so why are you laying it on us now? Those items and many other items in your contract have disappeared and I don't like it any more than you do. The language disappeared without any tentative agreements or letters of understanding being signed. So quit laying the blame on us, place it on Canale where it belongs. We are presently in negotiations and I will assure you that we will be re-addressing these items in negotiations.

Also, it's amazing how I leave this page for a few days and you have had the opportunity to talk up some merger at us airways that doesn't even exist, just so you can claim that the IAM is going to lay over and not invoke the McCaskill Bond. The McCaskill Bond protects every employee in every merger and there is no exclusion that says it doesn't protect us airways employees. We will be sure to invoke it against the TWU or any other union which thinks that our us airways buddies will be taking a back seat in seniority.

As far as your platform, remember, we have already taken salary cuts by refusing to take pay raises, since we have been in office. I'm sure we will again when we meet in January to forumulate our political ticket. Your ticket isn't the only ticket that understands salary cuts.
IAM Member here,

You just repeated what we have already said, i.e., there is nothing written whereby US AIRWAYS members lost PVD and BDL to anything other than being class 1. Why would you have to 're-negotiate' something that was already negotiated? Why not stand up and say PVD and BDL are in fact class 1 stations and call BS on the company, if there is nothing written down that voids out addendum A? You see, these are the things that make me get pissed about you guys, always passing the buck and blaming Canale. Yes, I blamed Canale but, after 3 years, I think blaming Canale is a bit old and our members want to hear what have you done to find out to better the things we are talking about. Sorry, but it's just not good enough to say PVD and BDL are not class one without anything written. But, now I am even more deeply troubled because you are now saying that we may renegotiate something that we already have. Wow. I hope we aren't going to give something else up to get something we already have? That's sorta like having your socks stolen off of you without taking off your shoes.

IAM Member here, how are you going to invoke the MBA in a presumed AA/US merger when there is going to be a representational dispute? Do you even know the law or are you just passing on what some other ignorant person told you? Please show me how you guys were able to invoke it at CO/UA. Why wasn't it possible to invoke it at CO/UA? Please do what I did and cite casework. Thanks in advance.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
IAM Member here,

You just repeated what we have already said, i.e., there is nothing written whereby US AIRWAYS members lost PVD and BDL to anything other than being class 1. Why would you have to 're-negotiate' something that was already negotiated? Why not stand up and say PVD and BDL are in fact class 1 stations and call BS on the company, if there is nothing written down that voids out addendum A? You see, these are the things that make me get pissed about you guys, always passing the buck and blaming Canale. Yes, I blamed Canale but, after 3 years, I think blaming Canale is a bit old and our members want to hear what have you done to find out to better the things we are talking about. Sorry, but it's just not good enough to say PVD and BDL are not class one without anything written. But, now I am even more deeply troubled because you are now saying that we may renegotiate something that we already have. Wow. I hope we aren't going to give something else up to get something we already have? That's sorta like having your socks stolen off of you without taking off your shoes.

IAM Member here, how are you going to invoke the MBA in a presumed AA/US merger when there is going to be a representational dispute? Do you even know the law or are you just passing on what some other ignorant person told you? Please show me how you guys were able to invoke it at CO/UA. Why wasn't it possible to invoke it at CO/UA? Please do what I did and cite casework. Thanks in advance.

regards,

Tim Nelson
Mr Nelson,

That's the problem, we don't have anything in writing that says BDL and PVD are class one. What don't you understand about disappeared?

We will invoke the MBA at United if we have to. Just because we haven't doesn't mean we won't. Please let the process continue before firing bullets against us.

Thanks in advance
 
Mr Nelson,

That's the problem, we don't have anything in writing that says BDL and PVD are class one. What don't you understand about disappeared?

We will invoke the MBA at United if we have to. Just because we haven't doesn't mean we won't. Please let the process continue before firing bullets against us.

Thanks in advance
I have it in writing, do you need it? it's contained in the addendum A. Why negotiate something you already have in writing, i.e., addendum A? Unless it was written away? If it wasn't written away then it's still good.

As far as the MBA, you have now completely shown your ignorance. You are now saying that you are going to invoke MBA against yourself and not follow your own internal union policy? Say What?

Please, stop talking about things that you simply have no idea about. Our US AIRWAYS members are going to be informed on this and we aren't going to tolerate some inept IAM spokesmen talking out of their arse about something they don't want the masses to know about. If you guys just did your job and educated members with a wealth of knowledge and information instead of being comfortable with them being blind, you wouldn't have gotten you and your ticket into this fine mess right now and I would still be supporting you guys.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
By whom were you told these items would be addressed? I,m the one grieving these items that deal with ATL. No positive space was granted from here. I was told by the station managers in FLL and ATL, they are not allowed to help. They say they are doing what they are told. These decisions came from Labor Relations. One agent is returning from furlough. USAir wouldnt even fly him possitive space to CLT for finger printing or pay him for the time. Another grievence. Real issues in real time. No answers........ The company is not trying to work these issues out. The answer is just grieve it and see where that gets you. As for negotiations, since July what has happened? Havent seen any progress report
Niblet,
Has the company resolved the transfer issue. Not quite sure why its such a big deal
people transfer around the system all the time why is the company stone walling on this
issue, do we even have an AGC in Atlanta how does that work
 
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