IAM Fleet Service topic

[baggage engineer]

IAM member here,
I guess you didn't hear the UA/CO ramp election is over and the IAM won being a
District guy you should already know that if not then why don't you 😱 🙁

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I'm bored.

 

[Hope777]

Tim

How many Mainline flights does BDL and PVD have ? Any how many flights have they had the last year ?

 

[IAM Informer]

I see that "IAM member here" appears to be a leader of the IAM so why doesn't RD or one of his officers be more
transparent and come on here and reassure everyone that they have nothing to worry about with their seniority

 

[saywhat]

I'm not sure your saying the same thing you said the other day. I have the 2005 agreement and the T/A and the 2008 agreement. You said typos are trumped by the T/A. But if there were omissions to the 2008 that was not addressed in the 2005 then we dont get them back. Now you seem to be saying something else. I think your confused more than me. I say we grieve the jan raise and let the arbitrator figure it out. The membership deserves to reep from any mistake that was made for the good since we have to suffer for the bad ones.

I'm sure you could dig a little and see the error of your ways. The contract says what it says and TN is trying to throw people under the bus because he is running against them. I would not expect one positive thing to be said about anyone running against him at this point. Somehow, TN will be able to pick this better ticket than the one he selected before. He is promising a lot of things he will not be able to accomplish IMO. I do think that he is a dedicated person to this membership. I'm not against him, just not sure he won't say anything to pay these guys back for firing him.

 

[IAM Informer]

Good point "say what" but you have to give the guy points for being Honest and TRANSPARENT something I think
the current leadership needs to do. Why hide behind a made up name if your speaking the truth it shouldnt
matter should it.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm sure you could dig a little and see the error of your ways. The contract says what it says and TN is trying to throw people under the bus because he is running against them. I would not expect one positive thing to be said about anyone running against him at this point. Somehow, TN will be able to pick this better ticket than the one he selected before. He is promising a lot of things he will not be able to accomplish IMO. I do think that he is a dedicated person to this membership. I'm not against him, just not sure he won't say anything to pay these guys back for firing him.

Oh puh leeassseee, I've said alot of positive about all of those guys, they are the ones who refuse to call me a brother. You and them are just being silly. I call them brothers and they call me Sir or Mister? But, that's ok, I don't take it personal. I've also said many of them are much finer human beings than I am, IMO. If they are under the bus, it's not because of me. Cripes, I'm not even pissed I got fired nor am I angry at anyone. Everything I touched turned to gold in organizing so me and my team accomplished tons for this district on the members dime, but I crossed party lines and got the ax. It happens but I believe thiings happen for my good. I supported Delaney 4 years ago but his actions prevented me from supporting him again. That's all and it's not a crime for me or any member to pull our support from him this time if we think he didn't earn it. Support and votes are not an entitlement so nobody was thrown under any bus. nor do I think Delaney threw me under the bus. It's called democracy. I wish things would have worked out with the ND and I could offer them my support, but I can't and everyone moves on. That's all. In reality, they made the other 3 tickets against them and have themselves to blame, not me. I think it's great that there will probably be over 80 brothers and sisters running for AGC. Whether my ticket wins or loses, this election will be a success for the masses. I think the more participation, the better. I know they would rather run unopposed, but elections are good things.

As far as the masses, the masses want answers to very real questions. I'm giving informative answers about MBA and also saying that there is nothing that I have seen in writing against Addendum A. I'm informing members and going to give them the opportunity to take over and occupy this district for the first time in history.

As far as negotiations, I hear the INTL blew off your contract talks. Have you informed your membership of the lack of support that the negotiations team has received? You need to inform your members of the lack of support that the negotiations team is getting instead of coming on here dogging me. Why do I have to be the one to tell your members? Why don't you tell the membership how the INTL blew off your US AIRWAYS talks last week because it decided to send TR to EWR to take care of continental. What kind of message does that send to US AIRWAYS management and what kind of juice does management think you guys have when you are there all alone with no support? Who is in charge?

Say What, you still have failed to address BDL and PVD and addendum A. Do you think they are class one stations, why or why not? Instead of dogging me, how about answering my very legit question? And why don't you just be straight and post under your real name instead of hiding behind a handle? Why the cloak? WHat's the fuss? Show some respect to your membership. Most of us know who you are anyways.

At any rate, the ND ticket was Delaney's ticket. I supported it and even yielded to other brothers to give them a shot. This ticket will be my first ticket and it will have a platform that is a heckuva lot more than just switching names. The platform will be awesome and I'm sure the membership will like it. Time will tell.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim

How many Mainline flights does BDL and PVD have ? Any how many flights have they had the last year ?

I don't think either is at class one level of flights, however, both were grandfathered in and recognized as class 1 without regard to the number of flights. A former AGC was taking care of his local, as well he should, and wouldn't sign on to a contract without getting BDL and PVD class 1 rights.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[niblet]

Niblet,
Has the company resolved the transfer issue. Not quite sure why its such a big deal
people transfer around the system all the time why is the company stone walling on this
issue, do we even have an AGC in Atlanta how does that work

They havent resolved anything with ATL and transfers. Looks like each station loosing agents are doing something different. Some are space possitive and cover shifts while mine and others are doing nothing to help. I have spoken to two AGCs on the matter and they say they are in discussions about it with the company. In the meantime my agents are all screwed up. Ive grieved it and am awaiting a step three hearing. This whole issue is BS. Personally i believe the company knows the weekness of our district and is aggresively attacking us in our stations. I will post as i get more info and update you with the grievence

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm sure you could dig a little and see the error of your ways. The contract says what it says and TN is trying to throw people under the bus because he is running against them. I would not expect one positive thing to be said about anyone running against him at this point. Somehow, TN will be able to pick this better ticket than the one he selected before. He is promising a lot of things he will not be able to accomplish IMO. I do think that he is a dedicated person to this membership. I'm not against him, just not sure he won't say anything to pay these guys back for firing him.

Say What,
When I supported Delaney back 3.5 years ago, he needed someone who could build a team around the system to push him in so he came to me.

It wasn't about 'picking', it was Delaney's ticket. He came to me to build. I 'm a builder and I built the campaign to oust Canale. When I became the Director of Organizing I built teams. I'm a team builder that builds solidarity, that's what I do. I've been very successful at building a tsunomi of solidarity from the masses to do good things. I'm educated with higher education also and I also have been the Local Chairman. The teams I built for organizing never lost an election. We kicked management's arse at airtran along with Ford and Harrison, and we kicked IBT arse at United. The teams did. Again, tt's called building solidarity. Whether it is organizing or negotiaitons, a union has to continually build its team. But that hasn't happened like in forever with the IAM in regards to negotiations/representation. It's done through the freedoms that allow me to empower the masses. OTOH, every other IAM leader that I have witnessed is not free but fearful. That's where things are now....fear, and that's where they will stay without a builder. When there is fear, there is no empowerment or knowledge flowing to the masses. The beseting sign is that the leader leaves the membership ignorant. When that happens, you can be guaranteed 100% that management isn't far away.

You are fearful also. When you are free, you will have the power to post under your own name and you will be transparent on here. Leaders post with their real names. I've built mega teams and all have been successful because of the freedoms they have discovered and the empowerment that flows from it. Up to now, I've built teams against Canale, against airtran management, and against the Teamsters Union. The difference now is that I'm building a team focused on your management now. It's time. We not only have to stop the bleed but the US AIRWAYS brothers and sisters need a leader who will provide them the equal resources as our United brothers and sisters have. But freedom is key and you need a leader who is free to empower the masses, as opposed to keeping the knowledge, information, and work at the top.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[IAM Informer]

Tim you bring up some really good points but I thought the reason why we got rid of Canale was to stop kissing the pinky and have empowered AGC's that could make decisions without
having to get permission from the Boss. It seems that its the same ole same ole. what makes you think your ticket will be any different. I mean are they going to have to yield to you at
every turn or what . and why is it the same ole same ole with the new leaders I remember a lot of faith being restored in cleaning out the UA dominated leadership but having 5 agcs
instead of 2 hasn't really changed much of anything. WHY is that

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim you bring up some really good points but I thought the reason why we got rid of Canale was to stop kissing the pinky and have empowered AGC's that could make decisions without
having to get permission from the Boss. It seems that its the same ole same ole. what makes you think your ticket will be any different. I mean are they going to have to yield to you at
every turn or what . and why is it the same ole same ole with the new leaders I remember a lot of faith being restored in cleaning out the UA dominated leadership but having 5 agcs
instead of 2 hasn't really changed much of anything. WHY is that

IAM informer,

IMO, there are a few huge fundamental problems that have been observed over the past 3 years that produced what appears as the 'same ole'. I would submit to you that it isn't the 'same ole' as I would give them more credit than Canale. So, the needle has been pushed to the right, if ever so slightly. What Canale did to the US AIRWAYS membership couldn't be described as any other way other than rape. Complete loss of pay seniority, class 2 pay, complete loss of thousands of jobs, no snapbacks, no profit sharing. no nothing. But having a new UA president has shown that the district continues to be insensitive to US AIRWAYS members and limits the shared resources. That has to change.

Two fundamental things that will change the 'same ole'
1. Having a ticket put together with brothers and sisters who have demonstrated strong representational passion for the masses but do not have to have the requirement to have supported me in the past. There are some on this ticket who really went at it with me, but I recognize that all tribes must be recognized and we must entertain different viewpoints. I don't have all the answers, and in life, I have had just as much failure as success, so it makes no sense for me to just continue the tradition that the President is Boss and always right. The masses need an Eboard with differing opinion, and discussion. In 3 years, that is one of the things that I observed the ND didn't have. When RIch said something, his team never finally challenged him. I think that will be Delaney's downfall as it was Canale's. The Boss is the Masses. Bottom line.

2. A paradigm shift.
IMO, this is the biggest thing that needs to be done.
The platform of the ticket I support was built on everything the masses are saying they want, but don't have. Therefore, we have to have a paradigm shift that trashes the entire paternalistic paradigm that this union has been based on, and it does it in radical fashion to bring all the knowledge, power and empowerment to the masses. While at the same time leaving greed and 'union management[ism] at the door. The masses have never occupied their union, but they will, when we put them at the reins. I've mentioned many of my platform points so you can just reference them under my other postings. An additional focus for our US AIRWAYS members should also be the attainment of equal distribution and a discontinuance of being second best.

Building solidarity through freedoms by releasing the masses and taking the muzzles off of the knowledge that is out there. If we are successful in winning, then for the first time the masses will truly be empowered. That alternative is not an option we should covet. The good thing is that elections are here and we can prepare and address these items long before a merger happens.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[IAM Member Here]

IAM informer,

IMO, there are a few huge fundamental problems that have been observed over the past 3 years that produced what appears as the 'same ole'. I would submit to you that it isn't the 'same ole' as I would give them more credit than Canale. So, the needle has been pushed to the right, if ever so slightly. What Canale did to the US AIRWAYS membership couldn't be described as any other way other than rape. Complete loss of pay seniority, class 2 pay, complete loss of thousands of jobs, no snapbacks, no profit sharing. no nothing. But having a new UA president has shown that the district continues to be insensitive to US AIRWAYS members and limits the shared resources. That has to change.

Two fundamental things that will change the 'same ole'
1. Having a ticket put together with brothers and sisters who have demonstrated strong representational passion for the masses but do not have to have the requirement to have supported me in the past. There are some on this ticket who really went at it with me, but I recognize that all tribes must be recognized and we must entertain different viewpoints. I don't have all the answers, and in life, I have had just as much failure as success, so it makes no sense for me to just continue the tradition that the President is Boss and always right. The masses need an Eboard with differing opinion, and discussion. In 3 years, that is one of the things that I observed the ND didn't have. When RIch said something, his team never finally challenged him. I think that will be Delaney's downfall as it was Canale's. The Boss is the Masses. Bottom line.

2. A paradigm shift.
IMO, this is the biggest thing that needs to be done.
The platform of the ticket I support was built on everything the masses are saying they want, but don't have. Therefore, we have to have a paradigm shift that trashes the entire paternalistic paradigm that this union has been based on, and it does it in radical fashion to bring all the knowledge, power and empowerment to the masses. While at the same time leaving greed and 'union management[ism] at the door. The masses have never occupied their union, but they will, when we put them at the reins. I've mentioned many of my platform points so you can just reference them under my other postings. An additional focus for our US AIRWAYS members should also be the attainment of equal distribution and a discontinuance of being second best.

Building solidarity through freedoms by releasing the masses and taking the muzzles off of the knowledge that is out there. If we are successful in winning, then for the first time the masses will truly be empowered. That alternative is not an option we should covet. The good thing is that elections are here and we can prepare and address these items long before a merger happens.

regards,

Tim Nelson

Mr Nelson,
You may be second best, because you are, but your members have not been treated second best.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Mr Nelson,
You may be second best, because you are, but your members have not been treated second best.

IAM member here, and Say What,

Say What, you doubt I can accomplish some of the things I spoke of. Fair enough. But all you and IAM Member here are doing is being negative. I have answered your questions and I have really been excited about mentioning all the things on my platform. IAM member here, you can't understand, but the US AIRWAYS members are only second best with you guys.

Say What, you will presumably be on the ND ticket for the first time, congrats. But, it would be nice to hear all the things that your ticket has accomplished at Aloha, Hawaiian, United, and now in US AIRWAYS negotiations. And what is the platform? Also, share with us why the INTL decided to skip US AIRWAYS negotiations last week and telegraph to the company that EWR United was much more important.

I think I have fairly exhausted the things I said about my team and platform, so tell us about the accomplishments of your team at the various airlines? I mean if you are going to support a team then it's fair to share all the wonderful things that that team has done.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[saywhat]

IAM member here, and Say What,

Say What, you doubt I can accomplish some of the things I spoke of. Fair enough. But all you and IAM Member here are doing is being negative. I have answered your questions and I have really been excited about mentioning all the things on my platform. IAM member here, you can't understand, but the US AIRWAYS members are only second best with you guys.

Say What, you will presumably be on the ND ticket for the first time, congrats. But, it would be nice to hear all the things that your ticket has accomplished at Aloha, Hawaiian, United, and now in US AIRWAYS negotiations. And what is the platform? Also, share with us why the INTL decided to skip US AIRWAYS negotiations last week and telegraph to the company that EWR United was much more important.

I think I have fairly exhausted the things I said about my team and platform, so tell us about the accomplishments of your team at the various airlines? I mean if you are going to support a team then it's fair to share all the wonderful things that that team has done.

regards,

Tim Nelson

Tim,
Somehow you think I don't support you, but I've never said who I will or won't support. My problem with what you are saying is that you picked the last group and you are over promising IMO. I would hope that the best people get in and do their best to change for the better for everyone.