IAM Fleet Service topic

[freedom]

We are familiar with your gut feelings.

Wasn't US supposed to be out of business by now?

yes we were .... i'm still shocked that we aren't ...

 

[28L_or_10R?]

yes we were .... i'm still shocked that we aren't ...

I'd have that gut feeling checked. It could be irritable bowel syndrome.

 

[Jester]

I got an idea "Charlie Brown" ... My presumption of course is that you will end up being on Delaney's ticket.

You mean that Charlie Brown is really "Lucy" snagging the football away? What kind of Bizarro World of transgendered labor relations cartoon freakery have we here? Although that might explain some of the sycophantic behaviors for anyone to rationalize continued support for Delaney and the No Directions Team after nearly 4 years of complete failures and utter ineptitude.

So Truncates Jester.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

ExRamper & Jester
Since both of you along with a few others ( and I say a few, because many of you have 3 & 4 different avatars on here, and like to talk to yourself ) could both of you tell the members that read this, that you have first hand information on this arbitration case, or is it second or third hand information that you choose to get on here and try to inform the membership? Just wanting to know, since you put down people for doing a job. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and post or comment on incorrect, or second hand info, would you??

So here is the full post on the grievance right off the District 141 website right out of the horses (Delaney's) mouth.....read it for yourselves: So it does look like what EX Ramper was reporting was indeed correct!!!!

And although the IAM consistently babbles about opposing the continued outsourcing of our work systemwide, seems that all it is , is BABBLING!!!!

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html

 

[Tim Nelson]

So here is the full post on the grievance right off the District 141 website right out of the horses (Delaney's) mouth.....read it for yourselves: So it does look like what EX Ramper was reporting was indeed correct!!!!

And although the IAM consistently babbles about opposing the continued outsourcing of our work systemwide, seems that all it is , is BABBLING!!!!

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html

Let me see if I got this straight, BUF members go into work and are given a black garbage bag to clear out their lockers, in the presence of security, and go home with paid leave, as ASIG peforms the work that is clearly protected within your contract. In essence, a lockout which is strictly forbidden. NH goes on TV and complains about the company as his Boss, Delaney is working out a sweetheart deal with the company where the outcourcing is and remains permissible provided some guy in BUF with 35 years seniority gets the privilege of a whopping $500 to uproot his family so the poor ASIG employees can continue doing his job? Do I have that correct? Never mind that Delaney stomps his feet and tells us in the messenger how your company violated the scope with a premature action so he's going to fast track it to arbitration?? R U KIDD ME???

Sheesh. Just when you think it can't get worse, this cat takes the company money to buy off the union when contracting outfits are doing YOUR work. This not only affects BUF, IND, etc but it affects all of you since the work was negotiated away by Delaney for $500 bucks. I know Canale's contract is terrible but Delaney just 'renegotiated' more scope away before it could have been lost. Great, maybe next time the company sends the black garbage bags to RDU and tells them to pack their bags so Delaney can get the whopping $500 for the RDU members as their work gets contracted out.

www.occupyiam141.com

Tim

 

[exramper]

PLUS Tim..we didn't get severance for our sick days..which count towards paid days..this is another loss of $50 a month in our pension if you had alot of sick days. Not only did we lose our jobs but also our pension...good thing I had a union to protect me

 

[Tim Nelson]

Also, I thought those five stations had a total of around 175 members.

So, how does this add up to $500,000?

Full time furloughees get 600 hours in their IAM pension at $1.05 or a grand total of about $600 bucks for the full timers who chose furlough, and about $375 a piece for part timers. How many members transferred? 50? 75? Would they get $500 automatically even if they don't submit additonal receipts incurred through moving? Let's say they do and 75 transferred, then that's about $3,500 combined dollars, right?

And what about the members who chose furlough who didn't get their 5 years in? I mean, isn't that additonal pension payment just going to go into the IAM's pockets since they won't be vested?

In any case, how is this a $500,000 settlement for 175 members? Did Bush & Associates rob the district again with their high fees? I mean, if the settlement was $500,000 for 175 members then that is about 3,000 per employee, right? And Delaney said it was in excess of $500,000. Even if all employees were full time and took the $600+ pension imputation, that would only represent a settlement of $105,000 to allow your company to contract our work before Canale permitted them to. Many questions indeed. Not saying I have the answers on the math on this so maybe Charlie Brown can break the math down. At any rate, I certainly hope that the company just doesn't dump money into the IAM pension of those employees under 5 years that will never see that money.

Onward Occupyiam141.com

Tim

 

[Tim Nelson]

PLUS Tim..we didn't get severance for our sick days..which count towards paid days..this is another loss of $50 a month in our pension if you had alot of sick days. Not only did we lose our jobs but also our pension...good thing I had a union to protect me

I'm curious as to if and why Charlie Brown supports waiving this scope before the date that Canale agreed to. And since you are presumably one of those employees affected, how is this a $500,000 settlement? I mean based on what Delaney said he conceded to, I'm only coming up with about $100,000 blood money? Did Bush & Associates get the other $400,000? Since Delaney said the settlement for you 175 members was $500,000, now he has to explain where that money went?

exramper, please correct me if I'm wrong but if an employee transfers and can't submit additional moving cost, would that person still be entitled to the extra few hundred bucks? And, was there any agreement to protect those members with less than 5 years of seniority from having the $600 pension monies placed in the IAM's pockets [since members with 5 years or less are NOT vested]

 

[Tim Nelson]

hey ex-ramper, check this out.

Canale allowed stations to be contracted out, but Delaney cuts a deal with management to actually expedite the process. That, my friend, is NOT refutable.

Also, a BUF employee with 35 years of seniority is given $500 bucks to uproot his family so ASIG can do his work under the Delaney plan. Again, NOT refutable.

 

[exramper]

Tim, The deal was the company is giving 600 hours towards pension which works out to about $30.00 a month for the rest of your life. Guys not vested will get this when they retire down the road (maybe). and for moving you get the $500 only if you turn in additional paperwork to company....

 

[exramper]

Tim, The deal was the company is giving 600 hours towards pension which works out to about $30.00 a month for the rest of your life. Guys not vested will get this when they retire down the road (maybe). and for moving you get the $500 only if you turn in additional paperwork to company....the union and company came up with the 600 hours because we are still paying dues on our severance checks....

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie, Call Delaney, ask him, I have

Ex ramper/ Jester
Thanks for the info! Seems like you two have correct info, and that's what I was asking. Our opinions may differ, on whether they received a decent deal, but I was just trying to clarify where you got your info. IMO this sight should be used to help educate the membership, some people choose to deliberately mislead, and that's what I don't understand, since we all should be in this together. I appogize, if it seems to you that I was falsely accusing you for having incorrect info!!

 

[charlie Brown]

I got an idea "Charlie Brown" since I know you well, I think a very important and respectful thing to do is for you and MF and myself to offer to the CLT membership the chance of a local debate, maybe behind the piano up in the conference rooms. The room charge would be on me as a kind gesture for your hospitality. My presumption of course is that you will end up being on Delaney's ticket. It is my presumption though as I base that on your slanted writings on this web page that seem to intentionally hold back from your membership alot of profane things that Delaney has done that will give them a clearer picture of how his and the ND leadership has been an exercise in futility. If your name will not be on Delaney's ballot then I still think a debate between myself and MF would do.

So, consider this a debate challenge, and I think our District members in CLT need it to be in person. I think a friendly debate over district housekeeping matters would be beneficial to YOUR membership and also will unpack for your members alot of things. It will also give you a plug to share with your membership how Delaney has done such a great job.

Onward Occupy 141

Tim

 

[charlie Brown]

Tim
Yes we do know each other well. And first let me say, the only people so far that has approached me about running on a ticket, was BK in clt, when he asked me if I was interested in running on your ticket. Surely you know this, or is BK just running around and doing things on his own? So far I haven't been asked by any member of Delaneys ticket to run with them. As far as me not posting things about Delaney? I think you confuse my lack of posting, and assume I am defending Delaney. Not True!!! If you look at my post in the past, I have disagreed with several things, the attendance policy for one!!! My past post stated that IMO the attendance policy would not be arbitrated, or win, if it was. And you of all people know, while I do support Delaney, I definitely don't support all of the agc,s. In fact, ive probably been the biggest critic, and you know what I mean. As for a debate!! Your running for president, I'm not!! You spent the last 4 years in the district office. Surely you know much more about district issues than I do. I don't understand why you want debate me, unless your just desperate to debate someone. But if you want to come to clt and debate me on the local issues about the committee in clt, then feel free to come on down. As I have told you on the phone, I have nothing to hide on the job that the committee and myself does In clt. The membership voted us in to do a job, and we have done the best job we can. If it's not good enough? Than that's what elections are for, and someone else can step up, if that's what the members want. But if you want to debate me, then it needs to be on issues I know about, which is local issues in clt, not district issues.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Yes we do know each other well. And first let me say, the only people so far that has approached me about running on a ticket, was BK in clt, when he asked me if I was interested in running on your ticket. Surely you know this, or is BK just running around and doing things on his own? So far I haven't been asked by any member of Delaneys ticket to run with them. As far as me not posting things about Delaney? I think you confuse my lack of posting, and assume I am defending Delaney. Not True!!! If you look at my post in the past, I have disagreed with several things, the attendance policy for one!!! My past post stated that IMO the attendance policy would not be arbitrated, or win, if it was. And you of all people know, while I do support Delaney, I definitely don't support all of the agc,s. In fact, ive probably been the biggest critic, and you know what I mean. As for a debate!! Your running for president, I'm not!! You spent the last 4 years in the district office. Surely you know much more about district issues than I do. I don't understand why you want debate me, unless your just desperate to debate someone. But if you want to come to clt and debate me on the local issues about the committee in clt, then feel free to come on down. As I have told you on the phone, I have nothing to hide on the job that the committee and myself does In clt. The membership voted us in to do a job, and we have done the best job we can. If it's not good enough? Than that's what elections are for, and someone else can step up, if that's what the members want. But if you want to debate me, then it needs to be on issues I know about, which is local issues in clt, not district issues.

Charlie Brown,

Although you may not have been asked to be on a ballot for Delaney, my presumption wasn't that you were already asked, but rather that you will end up on the ballot. Not that it matters, but I based my presumption off of your continual guarded remarks. My offer of a debate in CLT was a showing of respect for you, and not a sign of weakness for me, since I don't intend to debate 'just anyone', and it wasn't based on your local position but rather a District position. It would be fantastic if Delaney joined in on a debate panel in CLT. I did text MF and also included Billy in on any debate panel for District Elections. Of course, if Delaney showed up, he'd have to pony up half the cost of the room. ha ha. The offer of debate is nothing desperate, it's something that offers respect to the members. Do I have alot of hard work to do? Yes, but it's worth it and it's going to be exciting to be a part of a group of brothers and sisters who already understand that the only path to a solid industry leading contract is to smash down the non cerebral and dinosauric paternal IAM paradigm that Delaney and Canale both support that limits transparency, information and professional resources to your membership as their officers all make over $100,000. Cripes, you now have a muzzle on you as a result of it! Never mind that US AIRWAYS will always be second best with Delaney.

As for District matters, you have taken a position that is more than just a local one, therefore, you ought to be well versed in how Delaney screwed over the Hawaiian airlines negotiations and the UA negotiations. Not that you will have any authority to stop it.

Onward www.occupyiam141.com

Tim