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I'm not sure if anyone proofread it. If so, then whoever was responsible had a 4th grade education. And that's the problem when a District doesn't surround itself with professionals.
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Agreed. Even the compensation chart in the bound contract is in contrast to the tentative agreement. The bound contract chart reflects a 2% increase effective January 2012. Tentative agreement chart reflects July 2012. This type of representation is inexusable. We have a long way to go to gain the respect of many of the members. Wouldn't you agree?
Dog Wonder
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Who is we?
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Dog Wonder,
Anyone who believes the Fleet Service group deserves and needs to take the necessary action to finally ensure the collective group's interests are truly represented. I believe, through the years, our group has been mislead by "false prophets". Once elected their efforts, relolve and results for the most part have been historically disappointing. Ultimately, the blame for this history, is shared by the apathetic membership. I would like to invite input from all Fleet Service agents on this forum to rate the apathy level of the members in their station regarding the upcoming elections and the ongoing contract negotiations on a scale from one to ten. One being the lowest level of apathy to ten being the highest. I believe membership apathy is the first issue that needs to be addressed as we go forward.
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False prophets and your idol have a lot in common.
And work on your grammar before you agree others are uneducated because they didn't proofread to your standards.
Carry on.
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Dog,
And therein lies a large part of the problem... we basically elected marginally educated, poorly trained, and unskilled people to represent the membership, because while I welcome ograc's comments (and happen to agree with him on this issue), I would not feel comfortable in him representing the membership. Personally, I believe that most of FSAs would be fairly typical of ograc's writing abilities, and I do not mean that as a pejorative critique, but rather a recognition that we as the membership need to hire professionals to represent us.
I am having a difficult time understanding why anyone is defending the New Direction Team in its current arrangement, especially given the lack of progress on critical issues and successful campaigns (and that should not be considered to be an endorsement of Tim or OccupyIAM141 or even Boss Canale who accepted this questionable CBA). Frankly, for you to attack ograc's lack of literary skills, instead of addressing the lack of professionalism with the IAM with the current and past leadership suggest you are de facto defending the New Direction in an attempt to parry criticism by questioning someone's proofreading skills.
Let us address the real issues instead of pondering if someone has a copy of Strunk & White's "Elements of Style" by their computer.
So Asks Jester.
Dog Wonder
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I was not defending anyone.
Candidates with significant baggage will only attract the few left either ignoring, or unaware of, their history.
The reference to proofreading skills was a followup to a reference claiming the lack of them indicated a lack of education.
Candidates with significant baggage will only attract the few left either ignoring, or unaware of, their history.
The reference to proofreading skills was a followup to a reference claiming the lack of them indicated a lack of education.
Dog Wonder
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Who led the campaign to decertify the IAM after the US/HP merger?
Who tried to start his own union after the first bankruptcy and put his puppet Mike Pruitt, who I wouldnt want to represent my dog, as president?
Remember Fleet Service United?
This person's second attempt to start his own union at US.
Remember Fleet Service United?
This person's second attempt to start his own union at US.
Tim Nelson
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I really didn't have any problem becoming a member in bad standing within a IAM district that treated US AIRWAYS members worse than second best. The non union employees did better in bankruptcy than IAM fleet.
Certainly, the IAM and Rich Delaney had no problem with me soliciting other unions since it hired me afterwards.
That was a smart move on the IAM's part since I Directed organizing drives that filled a basketball arena with new IAM members. While on the members dime, I was incredibly successful for the membership but I had to throw out the goofy IAM organizing manuals which were uneducated, ignorant, and just pure stupid. I'm really not joking, when I got the Director of Organizing job, the INTL flew into ORD and proceeded to go over some of the techniques that they use in organizing. I didn't mean any disrespect but I told them that their materials were terribly insulting and incredibly non academic. Really retarded stuff man. Organizing and negotiating is an academic exercise and not a matter of having "Big Balls". Really stupid #### man but that's how it is when we have uneducated leaders, and management supporters as the President. Funny how I keep hearing that "Management isn't going to do this" or "Management won't do that". Just pure ignorance with folks who are not experienced or educated in their capacity, and have no idea how to proceed in an academic way that encompasses a plan that engages the membership and changes the outcomes. They have no idea on how to build leverage or culture anything. Truly insulting.
Cripes, there was a reason why about 80,000 airline folks voted agaisnt the IAM since 2000. I'm proud that I accomplished what I said I was going to accomplish and reversed that trend. But, the union can use a serious dose of education outside of Placid harbor and the kool aid school and it does help to have leaders who actually have more than a 12th grade education. The lack of having individuals with advanced degrees is killing us. What's even worse are leaders who can't comprehend that having the assistance of professionals in negotiations and arbitrations is a huge benefit for the membership. Jester is right about having professionals.
I'll also have to throw out all the dopey uneducated negotiations manuals that they use. Their negotiations strategies are absolutely killing us bigtime and taking the management sword and plunging it right into the guts of our members. Really stupid crap.
The interesting thing to me is the IAM constitution where someone like myself who was a member in bad standing can run for office. The Occupy 141 platform is a sharp contrast to how this union does business and relies heavily upon professionals also. It is simply moronic to think that our AGC's are a match of wits with management attorneys in negotiations. There is a reason why the US AIRWAYS contract has so much gray that you can paint a USS battleship with it. Our previous AGC's and GLR were charged with reading over the TA to make sure there weren't any discrepencies and they couldn't even do that right. We should not be surprised, look at how the AGC's just supported taking the management sword and spearing our own members in BUF. Sure, anyone can go on TV and talk big, but the bottom line was that HIS BUF members were taken to the slaughter and he didn't do a darn thing about it other than turn the page for Delaney. Good job NH. I never would have thought.
At any rate, fleet service shouldn't expect anything any different unless professionals are used as an additional resource in every negotiations session. This is fairly easy to comprehend so if someone can't grasp this then there is simply a biased against me that is in their way.
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Jester why don't you run ?
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I was merely asking who may have been responsible for the oversight. I never stated or insinuated a lack of education on anybody's part. I'm sorry you inerpreted it that way. I asked Tim because he had been previously involved with The New Direction Team. I have no idols. I'm sorry you interpreted that way. You shouldn't rush to judgement.
Tim Nelson
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actually, BC was suppose to proofread your contract. Then the GLR was suppose to look over it. "Communications" only showed that your management [RH] pointed out a few errors and tweaked the part about part time hours as it relates to sick accruals. Everyone from the Canale regime said thumbs up and that it looked good. Of course, nobody should be surprised that they got voted out.
Question: Did anyone see Delaney's new LOA that supports the continual management lockout in BUF?
I'll pdf it and show it to everyone when I get the time since I know the New Direction doesn't provide any communication at all. Also, did you guys know that Delaney circumvented the negotiations team when he signed that? Did you know that all the AGC's supported Delaney signing that?
It doesn't matter who is on the negotiations team since the negotiations team's only authority is whatever Delaney says.
Really stupid stuff man. Really dumb.
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