IAM Fleet Service topic

[robbedagain]

agree there ograc!

 

[700UW]

The WARN Act would not apply to BUF, it didnt employ enough people.

 

[cltrat]

The WARN Act would not apply to BUF, it didnt employ enough people.

maybe the common decency act would apply, of course we all know that will never happen at a place where the workers are considered a necessary evil

 

[ograc]

while its true that TPA hangar lockout was strictly maintaince I was trying to point out the fact that the company will do whatever it pleases, even violating contracts, dont give a rats about their own employees lock them out etc yet i guarantee you this much if it were them being effected they would give a dam

robbedagain,
You are 100% correct the company has the posture of doing whatever it pleases. Even violating contractual language. I believe the reason they have this posture is two fold. One, they know the union does not have the resorces available to arbitrate every contractual violation. Two, the union does not have the solidarity among the members to take a stand. Under these circumstances they hold the cards. Would you agree?
ograc

 

[ograc]

The WARN Act would not apply to BUF, it didnt employ enough people.

please enlighten. This WARN Act. Contractual language or Legislation? Won in court. Who represented the affected employees? Do you believe the choice of (BUF shut out) arbitating or LOU should have been given to the members affected? Your input is respected and appreciated.
ograc

 

[700UW]

The IAM took US to court, its a law, nothing contractual.

WARN Act Info

 

[ograc]

maybe the common decency act would apply, of course we all know that will never happen at a place where the workers are considered a necessary evil

cltrat,
Well said. Decency is not in the company's dictionary. Gone are the days when corporate America cared about their workers. Workers are now seen as a liability. Shirts and ties, within a corporation such as ours, are only worried about profitabilty and return to the shareholders. Workers (employees), with their compensation packages, are viewed as a necessary liabilty or evil, as you put it. It is no wonder their agenda is to cut us out of the pie. They will move their agenda forward. We need to resist their efforts in every case. The only way to accomplish this is on a united front. Divided we fall.
ograc

 

[ograc]

The IAM took US to court, its a law, nothing contractual.

WARN Act Info

Thank you for the info. Do you think the District should have given the choice to the affected BUF employees on how the IAM should proceed (i.e. accept the terms of the LOU or arbitrate under the grievance procedure)? Your respected opinion please.
ograc

 

[700UW]

Unfortunately you elect them to represent you and they have power of attorney.

Me I say fight everything, this company isnt worth making deal with.

But as you know it can take three years to get resolved, so you have to weigh the pros and cons and go from there.

 

[ograc]

Unfortunately you elect them to represent you and they have power of attorney.

Me I say fight everything, this company isnt worth making deal with.

But as you know it can take three years to get resolved, so you have to weigh the pros and cons and go from there.

Agreed. But in my opinion, given the finality of the action taken by the company regarding BUF, the affected employees should have been given the choice or, at the very least, an opportunity to voice their opinion on how to proceed forward. One way or another, what would they stand to lose? I understand power of attorney but I believe, in this case, it should not have been exercised in such an expeditious fashion. Especially considering the majority of the members involved have 25+ years with the company. Without arbitrating, or at the very least input from the affected employees on how best to proceeed, it sends the message their careers are flushed with little resistance from the union. The signed LOU certainly sent that message to, not only the BUF emloyees, but any employee in an outline station. A very ugly and negative message to send your members.
ograc

 

[necigrad]

Thank you for the info. Do you think the District should have given the choice to the affected BUF employees on how the IAM should proceed (i.e. accept the terms of the LOU or arbitrate under the grievance procedure)?

Unfortunately you elect them to represent you and they have power of attorney.

I've never had to file a grievance since I was IAM, but after seeing how a TWU grievance that the IAM was handled I'm not too impressed. If I ever file a grievance I'm crossing out the line that says the IAM has the authority to negotiate for me. I'll take all their support and advice, but they're not taking away my right to push the issue to the next level.

EDIT: Yes I know there's a point where they get to choose regardless of what I might think.

 

[Kev3188]

well he's alive anyway. I seen him using a check in kiosk at CLT this morning. didnt speak to him though

That says it all right there... What kind of union leader uses a kiosk?

Thank you for the info. Do you think the District should have given the choice to the affected BUF employees on how the IAM should proceed (i.e. accept the terms of the LOU or arbitrate under the grievance procedure)? Your respected opinion please.
ograc

I know you didn't ask me, but I say let the employees decide to the fullest extent possible.

 

[UnitedWeStand]

please enlighten. This WARN Act. Contractual language or Legislation? Won in court. Who represented the affected employees? Do you believe the choice of (BUF shut out) arbitating or LOU should have been given to the members affected? Your input is respected and appreciated.
ograc

WARN Act

This is what we have to consider when voting for an AGC. The Company will be pulling out all stops to pressure us in negotiations. Having a grasp of legislative issues that apply to labor is important. We cant afford a big learning curve now. Knowledgeable people are what we need. Just an opinion.

 

[robbedagain]

agree there ograc when will enough be enough and become the solidarity that we need to fight this airline tooth to tooth? until that happens, if it ever happens, this outfit will continue to roll all over the fsa andlaugh all the way to the dam bank! I agree 700 that this company is not worth dealing with as has been proven in the past

 

[ograc]

WARN Act

This is what we have to consider when voting for an AGC. The Company will be pulling out all stops to pressure us in negotiations. Having a grasp of legislative issues that apply to labor is important. We cant afford a big learning curve now. Knowledgeable people are what we need. Just an opinion.

To obtain and invite input and knowledge from others is never a negative. Unless, of course, you and the candidates you support have already "cornered the market" on all knowledge pertaining to legislative and contractual issues, as you seem to be suggesting. Based on your post, are you insinuating the current AGCs had full knowledge of this legislation and why it did not apply to BUF based on the numbers? I doubt it. You're never too old or smart to continue learning.
ograc