IAM Fleet Service topic

[28L_or_10R?]

Noticed that IAH has over 90 mainline flights per week now. Is the union responsible for determining if the 90+ per year flight threshold is exceeded or does the company notify the union?

 

[bagchucker]

Noticed that IAH has over 90 mainline flights per week now. Is the union responsible for determining if the 90+ per year flight threshold is exceeded or does the company notify the union?

If it has an annualized average of 90+ per week, it should be insourced. Wonder "who" informed "who" of ATL being insourced. BTW, who's the genious who decided to start the ATL insourced work in mid-December just before Christmas! What a logistical nightmare!
Perhaps you can advise DL-141 or your AGC to follow up on the IAH scenario?

 

[Jester]

Noticed that IAH has over 90 mainline flights per week now. Is the union responsible for determining if the 90+ per year flight threshold is exceeded or does the company notify the union?

What's the minimum number of mainline flights required into IAH? I ask because I know that the last CBA had some cities like SNA at a higher number versus other cities like LAS, and I thought that the East cities kept some number from their bankrupt contract which was even higher.

My concern is that the minimum is based upon an annualized average of mainline flights per week, and if it close to 90 as the minimum into IAH, then the Compay will simply swap out some mainline flying in favor of Express flying to keep it under the minimum.

However, you do raise a valid point... who notifies whom as to when a minimum has been reached, and is there an announcement notifying FSAs as to the opening of a station? Furthermore, who is watching to prevent the Company from violating the CBA under these type situations?

So Ponders Jester.

 

[john john]

My guess is ATL was a deal between IAM and the company no more closing ramps and ATL stays outsorouce then the company outsourced some ramps and it trigger ATL being in-source

 

[DFWFSC]

What's the minimum number of mainline flights required into IAH? I ask because I know that the last CBA had some cities like SNA at a higher number versus other cities like LAS, and I thought that the East cities kept some number from their bankrupt contract which was even higher.

My concern is that the minimum is based upon an annualized average of mainline flights per week, and if it close to 90 as the minimum into IAH, then the Compay will simply swap out some mainline flying in favor of Express flying to keep it under the minimum.

However, you do raise a valid point... who notifies whom as to when a minimum has been reached, and is there an announcement notifying FSAs as to the opening of a station? Furthermore, who is watching to prevent the Company from violating the CBA under these type situations?

So Ponders Jester.

At AA, a station must maintain an average of 2555 mainline departures a year to be staffed with TWU rampers. That averages to be about 7 flights a day. However, AA likes to sneak a eagle flight into the mix for a month or run 8 or 9 daily flights into a station, but have a few of them not operate on saturdays or tuesdays...etc in order to fall underneath the 2555 threshold. They know exactly what their doing,and i suspect US is no different.

 

[bagchucker]

My guess is ATL was a deal between IAM and the company no more closing ramps and ATL stays outsorouce then the company outsourced some ramps and it trigger ATL being in-source

No Deals... Just a company taking FULL advantage of the Fleet Service contract. When everyone said "show me the money", it came at the price tag of station closures. ATL is a fluke. Market demand for mainline capacity thru ATL is warranted, so they HAVE to insource due to the amount of mainline metal coming thru that station. Don't expect to see that very often if at all in the future, however, IAH is an interesting scenario to watch.

 

[necigrad]

who's the genious who decided to start the ATL insourced work in mid-December just before Christmas!

Might have something to do with all the furloughees transferring there. There are several experienced rampers for LAS (and some not so bright ones) that are going there. Since their last day in LAS (and other cities I'm sure) is November 28th I'm actually surprised the company is waiting that long.

No Deals... Just a company taking FULL advantage of the Fleet Service contract.

What he said. Why must everyone see shenanigans at every turn?

 

[Jester]

There are several experienced rampers for LAS (and some not so bright ones)

I met a few of them over the years... does the guy that looks and acts like Keith Richards still work there? How about the older guy with the bald head that has been around before God created dirt, and uses his outdoor voice during indoor conversations? What about that squirrelly guy who would smile and reply, "Good job," as his typical response in a greetings or introductions?

Everyone get their marching orders issued yet? PHX wasn't on the list, was it?

So Hopes Jester.

P.S. I hope Necigrad wasn't one of those I mentioned.

 

[john john]

Why must everyone see shenanigans at every turn?

At what time did ATL reach the IAM threshold to become in-sourced

 

[necigrad]

does the guy that looks and acts like Keith Richards still work there?

Dunno who that is from your description.

How about the older guy with the bald head that has been around before God created dirt, and uses his outdoor voice during indoor conversations

Yes he's still there. I have high hopes for his retirement soon.

What about that squirrelly guy who would smile and reply, "Good job," as his typical response in a greetings or introductions?

He's a great guy, don't worry about the details but he's not as you think. He got furloughedbut I'm not certain where to.

Everyone get their marching orders issued yet? PHX wasn't on the list, was it?

Yes they did, and no PHX was not on the list for FT, but it was for PT.

P.S. I hope Necigrad wasn't one of those I mentioned.

Nope, I wasn't, unless I bear some resemblace to Keith Richards that I don't see.

At what time did ATL reach the IAM threshold to become in-sourced

I don't know the actual answer to this, but rumor is that it only matters what the results are for April to April.

 

[Jester]

Dunno who that is from your description....
Nope, I wasn't, unless I bear some resemblace to Keith Richards that I don't see.

Fairly tall and thin, salt and pepper hair, twitchy, wore bandanas like an 80's Big Hair band with his shirt unzipped to his navel. I have seen him waiting in the gate area for a flight to ORD a couple years ago. Maybe he doesn't work for the Company anymore after striking it rich on the karaoke circuit.

I don't know the actual answer to this, but rumor is that it only matters what the results are for April to April.

Wasn't there an IAM website link to the CBA? Not that it matters as it seems there to be so much ambiguity in the agreement, as I am sure reasonable people could read that section of the contract as it relates to the minimum number of mainline flights into IAH, and still have 3 different opinions as to its meaning.

So Opines Jester.

 

[necigrad]

Fairly tall and thin, salt and pepper hair, twitchy, wore bandanas like an 80's Big Hair band with his shirt unzipped to his navel. I have seen him waiting in the gate area for a flight to ORD a couple years ago. Maybe he doesn't work for the Company anymore after striking it rich on the karaoke circuit.

OK, I know who you're talking about now. Yes, he's still there, and he's... Unique for sure. supposedly he was cruising around in the terminal a several years ago and found a Pizza Hut personal pizza with only two slices gone on a chair. He helped himself. Definatly an odd man.

Wasn't there an IAM website link to the CBA? Not that it matters as it seems there to be so much ambiguity in the agreement, as I am sure reasonable people could read that section of the contract as it relates to the minimum number of mainline flights into IAH, and still have 3 different opinions as to its meaning.

The CBA is posted on the website here. I was being vague because I've heard something. It's not at all official, and might be inaccurate or flat out false, but I heard something nonetheless that we might be hearing about this shortly. You know how rumors go. I also heard yesterday that if we merge with AA PHX is getting cut by 50%-66%. Rumors, embrace them, ignore them, or listen and consider them. Any way might be the right way, or not.

 

[john john]

but rumor is that it only matters what the results are for April to April.

OK so the November reductions which lead to ATL being in-source was trigger by the April results. Rumor of course

 

[necigrad]

OK so the November reductions which lead to ATL being in-source was trigger by the April results. Rumor of course

I'd say it's more likely that the furloughs exposed ATL needing to be insourced. That's not even rumor, that just a guess on my part.

 

[niblet]

Question. Agents transfering to ATL are being told by the transfer desk to fly space A on their days off and schedule themselves for SIDA. No pay or reimbursement or space possitive is being offered. District has been notified. The question is what are the agents supposed to do? I've told them not to go til their report to work date. Any input from anyone out there.