IAM Fleet Service topic

[28L_or_10R?]

Question. Agents transfering to ATL are being told by the transfer desk to fly space A on their days off and schedule themselves for SIDA. No pay or reimbursement or space possitive is being offered. District has been notified. The question is what are the agents supposed to do? I've told them not to go til their report to work date. Any input from anyone out there.

I've seen many stations do this. If they show up for work on their report date, they will possibly wait days to weeks before being badged and the victims will not work those weeks or days and will not be paid for those weeks and days! My station and former station handled everything by fax but some airports won't allow that. It may not behoove your friends and coworkers to wait until their start day and you should go back to them and tell them to eat their crap sandwiches. Does this suck? Yes... it sucks and blows at the same time. Is it fair? No. Is it BS? Yup. Sho' 'nuff is.

 

[Kev3188]

+1 here.

The issue isn't US, or even the IAM. It's an issue between the TSA at each end of the transfer. As noted above, some are really efficient, and some (like mine) can take upwards of 2-3 weeks...

 

[niblet]

I've seen many stations do this. If they show up for work on their report date, they will possibly wait days to weeks before being badged and the victims will not work those weeks or days and will not be paid for those weeks and days! My station and former station handled everything by fax but some airports won't allow that. It may not behoove your friends and coworkers to wait until their start day and you should go back to them and tell them to eat their crap sandwiches. Does this suck? Yes... it sucks and blows at the same time. Is it fair? No. Is it BS? Yup. Sho' 'nuff is.

So why are'nt we doing anything about it. The contract reads clearly about training. Is this not the same? Why do we put up with this sh**. Why? Have we become so week and balless thats the answer i get. I say hell no. What about the AGC'S, do they not have to help defend the contract? I'm in my third city and have never been subject to this. I understand the need to get this done early before the start date but we all know they are supposed to be compensated. I for one have'nt given up on this one.

 

[niblet]

I've seen many stations do this. If they show up for work on their report date, they will possibly wait days to weeks before being badged and the victims will not work those weeks or days and will not be paid for those weeks and days! My station and former station handled everything by fax but some airports won't allow that. It may not behoove your friends and coworkers to wait until their start day and you should go back to them and tell them to eat their crap sandwiches. Does this suck? Yes... it sucks and blows at the same time. Is it fair? No. Is it BS? Yup. Sho' 'nuff is.

Are you an IAM member

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Are you an IAM member

Yes I am. However, my former and present station agreed to fax materials. Many airports won't do this. Much has to do with dates that SIDA classes are held. If the stations had not agreed then perhaps I would be flip out but I was fortunate in that regard. Contact the IAM but don't screw around getting this squared away. Come to think of it, there was a SIDA class here that was in session on the day I was to arrive, and if I couldn't make it, I couldn't work for a week. Just do what you can but don't make a bunch of clatter and noise at your new station. It will set you off on the wrong foot with your new coworkers regardless of your intentions.

 

[700UW]

M&R has an LOA about SIDA badges, does fleet not have the same?

 

[necigrad]

No 700UW, no LOA that I see, and I'm not aware of it anywhere in the contract.

I'm of the opinion that:

• Any employee transfering due to furlough should get their SIDA badge ASAP. The company knows you are transferring and should not have a problem with this. If you want to refuse and fight to get positive space for this, go ahead, you're only going to screw yourself.
• Displaced employees should not have a gap in working, though a reasonable time should be allotted for the transfer.
• No employee should be forced from their current location unless they have a position ready elsewhere or are going unemployed due to a reduction in force.
• Any lost time due to displacement for any reason should be paid from the employees furlough pay.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

I'm of the opinion that:

• Any employee transfering due to furlough should get their SIDA badge ASAP. The company knows you are transferring and should not have a problem with this. If you want to refuse and fight to get positive space for this, go ahead, you're only going to screw yourself.
• Displaced employees should not have a gap in working, though a reasonable time should be allotted for the transfer.
• No employee should be forced from their current location unless they have a position ready elsewhere or are going unemployed due to a reduction in force.
• Any lost time due to displacement for any reason should be paid from the employees furlough pay.

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Since it is the government that does the background checks on you before issuing your ID, one would think that your ID would be valid at whatever station that you worked at. But it would only be activated at the station that you work in. It would be helpful for agents transferring, working temporarily in other stations, or going through security.

Rogue

 

[niblet]

Yes I am. However, my former and present station agreed to fax materials. Many airports won't do this. Much has to do with dates that SIDA classes are held. If the stations had not agreed then perhaps I would be flip out but I was fortunate in that regard. Contact the IAM but don't screw around getting this squared away. Come to think of it, there was a SIDA class here that was in session on the day I was to arrive, and if I couldn't make it, I couldn't work for a week. Just do what you can but don't make a bunch of clatter and noise at your new station. It will set you off on the wrong foot with your new coworkers regardless of your intentions.

I'm not sure we are on the same page. I'm talking about pay for it. Sida is not the issue. The issue is how its handled . The company is ersponsible for reimbursement for training and travel.

 

[necigrad]

Since it is the government that does the background checks on you before issuing your ID, one would think that your ID would be valid at whatever station that you worked at. But it would only be activated at the station that you work in. It would be helpful for agents transferring, working temporarily in other stations, or going through security.

Rogue

If it was like that the world would be a lot easier for airline employees. It's up to the airport operator to use whatever method is approved by the TSA. The ultimate responsibility lies with the airport operator who couldn't care less what other airport you've worked at.It's a weird limbo where every airport uses the same rules but play on different fields in the same game.

 

[niblet]

If it was like that the world would be a lot easier for airline employees. It's up to the airport operator to use whatever method is approved by the TSA. The ultimate responsibility lies with the airport operator who couldn't care less what other airport you've worked at.It's a weird limbo where every airport uses the same rules but play on different fields in the same game.

I'm still not sure we are all on the same page. I understand the process, I've been around for 24 years. I've worked in several cities and two departments. My question is still the basic COMPENSATION for your time. Its training any way you slice it. We dont pay for the badge. USAirways pays for it. They have to sign all the paperwork to get it. So if I go they have to compensate for the time. Its contractual Article 24. Why am I having such a hard time with this. I've spoken to 2 of the AGC'S over this issue and they agree. However nobody is doing anything about it. MTC has a letter of agreement. Do we? I know they (the company) wants one. When did we loose the ability to uphold the contract?

 

[necigrad]

The company has never to my knowledge considered badging training, having a badge is just considered a condition of employment. Employees have been terminated for failing to qualify for a SIDA badge before, like when losing too many SIDA badges for example. I haven't heard of the unions position on this, but it most certainly is not "company sponsored training" as the CBA specifies. There may be a valid argument if the company consistently pays for the training, but something tells me it's another thing done half assed, with every station doing it differently.

You'll also note in my reply to 700UW there is no LOA for fleet regarding this.

 

[PTR]

Us airways needs to get rid of the aim , fact I had a problem went to aim for resolve comment was lacks merit . When to us airways mgmt got resolution . Question why do we pay union dues I.a.m is null in void vote them out

 

[700UW]

Guess you werent around in 1992 were you?

And its the TSA, not US nor the IAM who makes the rules.

 

[Black Magic]

Just a thank you to the company for the bbq on the phx ramp yesterday! The weather was nice and morale on the up and up.