IAM Fleet Service topic

[Jester]

Dunno but there is no doubt that management informed the leadership.

Why would you assume that management informed the IAM leadership? By implication, you are stating that the IAM de facto approved of this egregious act against the membership, and did so without any public protest. It is politics at its worse and akin to The "Did-you-stop-beating-your-wife" Question. I will admit that the Silence is Deafening from the IAM leadership on this matter to date.

However, this isn't the first time in recent weeks that I publically questioned your insinuations regarding some extreme malfeasance on behalf of RD, and if you review my posts from years past regarding ND08 you would realized I was critical of promises being made with little hint of any expertise to make it happen.

I think one should have some factual support in making serious allegations, instead of some ad hoc conspiracy theory du jour.

So Advises Jester.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Why would you assume that management informed the IAM leadership? By implication, you are stating that the IAM de facto approved of this egregious act against the membership, and did so without any public protest. It is politics at its worse and akin to The "Did-you-stop-beating-your-wife" Question. I will admit that the Silence is Deafening from the IAM leadership on this matter to date.

However, this isn't the first time in recent weeks that I publically questioned your insinuations regarding some extreme malfeasance on behalf of RD, and if you review my posts from years past regarding ND08 you would realized I was critical of promises being made with little hint of any expertise to make it happen.

I think one should have some factual support in making serious allegations, instead of some ad hoc conspiracy theory du jour.

So Advises Jester.

No conspiracy theory Jester. It's called picking up the phone and informing the lead AGC about it and him saying he already knew about it. Because of where I called him at, I could barely hear him so the conversation was limited.

Onward!

Tim

 

[niblet]

Still no word here about MSY. Not sure if thats an insult or blessing. Havent heard anything from the company or the union.

 

[Jester]

No conspiracy theory Jester. It's called picking up the phone and informing the lead AGC about it and him saying he already knew about it.

Tim,

That does not mean the union leadership agreed or approved of the matter, but rather they simply heard about it before you did. For all I know, the AGC you spoke with read Freedom's post, and was not informed by the Company. I still believe your accusation to be baseless, especially if the only "proof" was that someone was aware of the issue before they spoke with you.

So Reiterates Jester.

 

[IAM Informer]

I think that any "posting" in the FSE breakrooms requesting "help" for MSY should be destroyed! It is not our responsibility to bail out the company who chose to outsource our work in the first place. What an insulting joke! Anyone who is even considering going is gonna go into a hotbed. Please.. enjoy your holidays and New Year at home where you belong! Don't go help the mess the company created! I am losing my job Jan 8 to a "vendor" and so far they don't have their poop together and nobody is gonna help them get their poop together, either! The company wants cheap labor, they get it! Not one FSE in the ranks of US should be even thinking about going to "help" out. "F" that~

hey bagchucker if you in msy maybe if somehow the names of brothers/sisters coming in to help the company should be printed on a piece of paper
and loaded in every bin leaving msy so the rest of the system can get a more personal look at the TRUE SCABS. maybe if there names became household
names around the system as SCABS they might rethink going to MSY .. Hint Hint if you wanna be SCABS want more hours pick a shift in your damn city

 

[IAM Informer]

For clarification: The Occupy 141 District Officer Election ticket will have 8 US AIRWAYS AGC's on it, up from the current 5. Increasing the amount of AGC's recognizes equal resources where US AIRWAYS members will not continue to be treated second best to United.

This was a contentious issue over the past couple years for all the US AIRWAYS ND members. When Rich Delaney got in, he 'guaranteed' that he would increase the District resources towards the establishment of more US AIRWAYS AGC"s that would reflect equal distribution. Unfortunately, it never happened as Rich offered up one excuse after another why the US AIRWAYS members couldn't increase their level of AGC's.

At any rate, these additional resources will help equalize the membership so that our US AIRWAYS membership will finally have comparable resources to the United ramp. In application, it means that CLT, PHX, PHL will finally have their own exclusive AGC that is not responsible for flying all over God's wonderful creation visiting other stations. That will leave 5 AGC's to serve the outstations. There are many exciting things about the Occupy 141 ticket and for the first time, US AIRWAYS members have the opportunity to support a ticket that guarantees equality and not second best.

The Occupy 141 ticket also has other items of interest for US AIRWAYS members that will enhance items along various lines. Once the Occupy 141 ticket wins, you will come close to doubling the district resources within your membership. Bottom line.

Onward!

Tim

Tim, whats so special about your ticket i mean it all sounds good on paper but there were alot of things discussed back in 08 about change how do we know its not the same ole same ole

 

[niblet]

Tim,

That does not mean the union leadership agreed or approved of the matter, but rather they simply heard about it before you did. For all I know, the AGC you spoke with read Freedom's post, and was not informed by the Company. I still believe your accusation to be baseless, especially if the only "proof" was that someone was aware of the issue before they spoke with you.

So Reiterates Jester.

So that being said or assumed. What are they doing about it? Or are you suggesting they dont know ?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim, whats so special about your ticket i mean it all sounds good on paper but there were alot of things discussed back in 08 about change how do we know its not the same ole same ole

The platform. The platform that Rich wanted was to change the names at the top, communicate more effectively, and to focus on organizing. Everyone realized that a new direction was needed after Canale signed over original language that stripped seniority for pay purposes and created the class 2 pay, stripped rampers of profit sharing, etc. The ND wasn't the same ole, I focused on Directing the organizing department and we were incredibly successful. So it wasn't the same ole. The problem is that along the way, the New Direction made some 'wrong turns' when it came to representation. So much in fact that I determined that it didn't make any sense for me to keep organizing thousands of new members only to have the representational arm screw folks over.

I also think the communication of the New Direction is seriously lacking. When Rich promised communication, he brought in a communication team that was suppose to coordinate information, knowledge, etc. Instead what happened is that the website is big on fluff and wins awards, but just about every update has a video of the latest picnic where someone is eating a cheeseburger and drinking some suds and saying "Go IAM". Nothing against Lehive, because he is just completing his assignments [and he truly is 24/7] but the membership wants substance and not videos of the latest party. I'm not interested in web design awards. To begin with, maybe our union can at least provide some updates on the labor advisory committee. Why do our US AIRWAYS members have to go to the CWA site for that information? Or maybe they can follow the bylaws and provide a list of all grievances to the Local chairman and which ones have been dissolved, resolved, etc. But, above all, it still comes down to the solidarity question, and keeping information and knowledge from flowing down to us at the masses is the sorta thing that keeps folks scattered, ignorant, etc. I mean, there is a reason why nobody knows anything about what wage or what whatever your negotiations team has proposed. Sorry, but they can keep all of the updates to themself that say a whole bunch of nothing other than the typical rhetoric, "Things are progressing" or the slightly aberrated, "things will take time...". The Occupy 141 insistence on not signing dopey confidentiality papers will mean that the website will be filled with real information instead of hot dog parties and cheeseburger flipping contest. Sheesh.

The Occupy 141 platform has been posted and it spells out a total paradigm shift that finally puts the District back in the hands of the members like it is suppose to be. There are other philosophy switches, like in negotiations. I will have a lead AGC in negotiations, an attorney, but having more AGC's makes no sense at all. Keep the AGC's in the field processing grievances instead of having their time occupied in negotiations. Have the negotiations team well represented with all people. I don't have a problem with the present negotiators but not one of them is part time or from CLP or from the Tower. And I think it is a crime for me or anyone else who hasn't worked in such a capacity to think that we know that work. Having a CLP person and a tower person in negotiations will give us further insight when addressing their work, and including a part timer will give us a much needed perspective on part time issues. By reducing the level of AGC's in negotiations, we can save on the cost factor and I want the AGC's in the field supporting the Local Committees and processing and fighting grievances.

Onward!

Tim

 

[Jester]

So that being said or assumed. What are they doing about it? Or are you suggesting they dont know ?

What did they know and when did they know it, is something for which I am not privy to the internal discussions of the AGCs or IAM leadership. As I said earlier... "Their silence on the matter has been deafening" by the lack of a public protest or condemnation of the Company's attempting to solicit US FSAs to assist in the contracting-out of MSY US FSAs who have been furloughed.

My contention with Tim has been his in assumptions trying to suggest the ACGs and leadership condoned and even approved of the Company's actions, especially when the "evidence" has been little more than someone knew the details before Tim, thus the suspect reasoning that the IAM approved this despicable act. As I said, it is the worse of election year politics, and unfortunately, this is not the first such example I have seen of Tim as he makes his run for RD's position.

So Repeats Jester.

 

[niblet]

What did they know and when did they know it, is something for which I am not privy to the internal discussions of the AGCs or IAM leadership. As I said earlier... "Their silence on the matter has been deafening" by the lack of a public protest or condemnation of the Company's attempting to solicit US FSAs to assist in the contracting-out of MSY US FSAs who have been furloughed.

My contention with Tim has been his in assumptions trying to suggest the ACGs and leadership condoned and even approved of the Company's actions, especially when the "evidence" has been little more than someone knew the details before Tim, thus the suspect reasoning that the IAM approved this despicable act. As I said, it is the worse of election year politics, and unfortunately, this is not the first such example I have seen of Tim as he makes his run for RD's position.

So Repeats Jester.

Lets be realistic. We all know that they know about the letter. Now weather they new up front or found out later, your right about the silence. This is a slap in the face of all fleet service agents under the IAM umbrella. This should have been addressed with the company immediately and announced back to the membership. As of today I have heard nothing about it. My city wasnt privy to the secretive information for the scabfest. On another note I have a level 3 hearing for the travel and time for the agents involved with the ATL transfer. Scheduled JAN 31. I will keep all interested posted.

 

[charlie Brown]

Just FYi for anyone on here from clt. It was stated on here on a earlier post that clt was one of the cities asking people to go to msy. That information was incorrect. The grievance committee met with management in clt, and no one is going to msy from clt.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Just FYi for anyone on here from clt. It was stated on here on a earlier post that clt was one of the cities asking people to go to msy. That information was incorrect. The grievance committee met with management in clt, and no one is going to msy from clt.

Any word on what the AGC's are doing about it?

Onward!

Tim

 

[necigrad]

I forsee a double grievance. The first on it happening. The second for demanding that open time be available regardless of station. Just because there's no OT available that works for you in PHL doesn't mean you can't pick it up in EWR. It'll be the companies responsibility to deal with all the problems too (like badging), not ours.

 

[Jester]

Necigrad,

Just curious, as you appear to be an informed and reasonable person, what is your opinion of an US FSA working for one of the contractors for one of two reasons: 1) furloughed, or 2) Wanting to pick-up some extra money on the side? This question might have been considered in the LAS station given the recent cut backs. So are furloughed FSA agents working for a contractor considered "scabs" or maybe those that choose to make some side income considered to be "scabs" in your view? Or would it require the contractor work to be that of former US work, but what about other airline FSA work?

Where does this line of acceptably take place within the union mindset? I am open for other people's point of view on this matter too.

So Consults Jester.

 

[niblet]

Necigrad,

Just curious, as you appear to be an informed and reasonable person, what is your opinion of an US FSA working for one of the contractors for one of two reasons: 1) furloughed, or 2) Wanting to pick-up some extra money on the side? This question might have been considered in the LAS station given the recent cut backs. So are furloughed FSA agents working for a contractor considered "scabs" or maybe those that choose to make some side income considered to be "scabs" in your view? Or would it require the contractor work to be that of former US work, but what about other airline FSA work?

Where does this line of acceptably take place within the union mindset? I am open for other people's point of view on this matter too.

So Consults Jester.

Thats a good question. I've been told the International believes that overtime work should be frowned upon because that usually means they want to do the work with less people. Less people means less dues paying members. The ultimate goal would be more jobs and more dues paying members. Now in todays era that isnt always true. Our wages are low and prices are high, so we do what we need to do to make money to pay our bills. So back to the question. Taking the job as the contracted company employee would make you an employee of that company. And that would be because you needed a job. But anyone who has a job say in LAS and goes there thinking they are getting overtime just makes you a scab. It would be selfish and a slap in your union brothers face. THIS is my opinion, and I'm open to discussion. I just think anyone from any city who has a job that would go to MSY is wrong .