IAM Fleet Service topic

[niblet]

We had a similar situation take place when my former station was outsourced back in 2005. The Station Manager was asking a few guys to stick around for a few extra weeks to help train our replacement contract vendor's people. While most of us told him where to go on this subject, he tried to make his point of us keeping our jobs for a little longer. Needless to say, on guy took the bait and stayed on to train the guys that were sent there to replace us. We ripped him apart on his decision, and nobody wanted anything to do with him then, and still to this day. The upside of this story, is that he was offered a job as a recall in another station while he was "Helping" out, and turned it down since he was still working. Little did he know that by refusing recall to another station, he terminated himself once his good deed was over...Got what he deserved in my book.

Staying to train your replacements is wrong. He did get what he deserved.

 

[blue collar]

Staying to train your replacements is wrong. He did get what he deserved.

How can you say on one hand staying to work for the contractor is ok, but, staying to train your replacement is wrong? They sound like the same thing to me. You are aiding, or replacing what once was a union position.

 

[niblet]

How can you say on one hand staying to work for the contractor is ok, but, staying to train your replacement is wrong? They sound like the same thing to me. You are aiding, or replacing what once was a union position.

I chose to move. What happens to those that cant move for whatever reason. Now your out of work. What do you do? All im suggesting is at some point you may end up working for the contractor. It no longer is usairways work. You say that makes you a scab? I'm just saying if someone had to feed their family I wouldnt hold it against him.

 

[necigrad]

a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Sounds like I would be a scab in that situation then. That's one of the problems with unions. They're so high and mighty that if you're not union you're evil. Especially since in this example we're looking at the union having not obtained protections to prevent the situation to begin with.

 

[blue collar]

... had to feed their family...

That is the number one excuse that everyone gives to scab. I know many people who have gone on strike and been replaced, and the ones replacing them said the same excuse. The honorable ones moved on to other jobs or careers; because, they not only had to provide for their family, but also to show their family what it is to stand by your principles.
http://www.iamll1005.org/definition_of_a_scab.htm

--edit-- niblet, I'm not trying to call you out as a scab, so don't take it that way. I am trying to expand your thinking to encompass all types of scab behavior.

 

[john john]

Is it OK if the company that replaces the union’s jobs(US) is in the same union (IAM) and works for a lot less pay benefits and work rules?

 

[700UW]

Better than using employees in Manila and El Salvador, now isnt it?

 

[blue collar]

Is it OK if the company that replaces the union’s jobs(US) is in the same union (IAM) and works for a lot less pay benefits and work rules?

No, I don't agree with that either. But, I also wouldn't go work for a company that replaces my current job, whether union or not. Just like I disagree with the IAM giving up receipt and dispatch, or deicing from mx to ramp or contractors.

 

[niblet]

That is the number one excuse that everyone gives to scab. I know many people who have gone on strike and been replaced, and the ones replacing them said the same excuse. The honorable ones moved on to other jobs or careers; because, they not only had to provide for their family, but also to show their family what it is to stand by your principles.
http://www.iamll1005.org/definition_of_a_scab.htm

--edit-- niblet, I'm not trying to call you out as a scab, so don't take it that way. I am trying to expand your thinking to encompass all types of scab behavior.

I didnt think you were calling me a scab. I see what you are saying. I would move on and I have. Your talking about strike work and lock out. I grew up with all my uncles as Teamsters, truck drivers and my dad was PATCO. I've seen strikes, rallys and picketlines. You dont cross them. I watched my dad go to work at Domino's pizza to provide for his family. Principles kept my dad away. This is a little different situation. Its more complicated

 

[wings396]

Is it OK if the company that replaces the union’s jobs(US) is in the same union (IAM) and works for a lot less pay benefits and work rules?

I would have to say NO on this one. Shame on the IAM if they would permit one workgroup to take anothers job away. But then again, the IAM has overseen the outsourcing of plenty of jobs at US. Their main objective is to have DUES PAYING members on the books regardless of what they earn, or how they got there. FWIW, there are contract vendors out there that are IAM that handle US charters in some stations where we have our own people. This one alone puzzles me. Maybe someone here can chime in on how this "slipped" by the membership..

 

[no more cuts]

What the Hell is going on BUF agents come to work and are met by corporate security and told to relinquish their
I.D's and TRAVEL CARD or they won't get paid. For God's sake its 5 days before christmas. Thanks CLT. PHL, PHX
for voting in this POS contract. Hope you and yours have a happy holiday season. How bout the hubs start a
collection and send to the BUF and MSY guys to help them through what you guys did by voting in this contract
where's the union at who's the agc for buf . I am very sorry this has happened to you guys I am even sorrier that
our union is letting this happen. I hold every officer accountable for this BS. They knew this language was in our contract and obviously haven't done anything about hell we have been in negotiation since last july wouldn't you
think this would be a very very important issue to try and resolve with the company. Hears an Idea. we just lost 8 stations how about the IAM cutting 1 agc . I mean if we don't have the city no more we don't need a blow hard
thats sucking up our dues money doing nothing.I never could understand how a union could or would negotiate
a contract for IT'S membership that ALLOWED closing citys and losing members. Once again the IAM and its
Leadership have failed the members how many more times do we have to get screwed over before the members wake
up and either get another union with a real set of balls. 700 before you come on here defending this POS union just
save I don't want to hear it nor do the folks that just got locked out of there job and turned to look over their shoulders to see if the UNION had the back and NO ONE was there. As usual

 

[700UW]

Lets see:

CWA permitted closing or res centers, outsourcing work to Manilla and El Salvador.

CWA-AFA permitting foreign nationals to be FAs at other airlines and Express flying mainline routes.

ALPA permitted Express Carriers to fly mainline routes.

AMFA and IBT permitting outsourcing of maintenance.

No one is immune and I guess you dont understand Chapter 11 and its implications of labor.

 

[IAM Informer]

Lets see:

CWA permitted closing or res centers, outsourcing work to Manilla and El Salvador.

CWA-AFA permitting foreign nationals to be FAs at other airlines and Express flying mainline routes.

ALPA permitted Express Carriers to fly mainline routes.

AMFA and IBT permitting outsourcing of maintenance.

No one is immune and I guess you dont understand Chapter 11 and its implications of labor.

you seem to proud of the fact that unions outsource jobs. thats pretty hypocritical of ya

 

[no more cuts]

Bankruptcy had nothing to do with these latest cuts. It all falls on the negotiators that brought this back to the
members and the members that voted YES for it back in 2008.

 

[IAM Informer]

Article 2 - Status of Agreement
c.
I t is expressly understood and agreed that when this
Agreement is accepted by the parties and signed by their
authorized representatives, it will supersede any and all
Agreements existing or previously executed between the
Company and any Union or individual affecting the crafts or
classes of employees covered by this Agreement.

ok so the union already allowed the company to roll the 2 percent raise over them .

Under the same Article
I t is understood and agreed that the Company will not lock
out any employees covered hereby, and the Union will not
authorize or take part in any strikes, sit-down, slowdown, or

Ok so the company has once again VIOLATED our contract with the BUF situation
the question is WHAT's the Leadership going to do about it. If the company is going to
purposely break our agreement then why don't the members do the same. problem
is the membership is looking for the LEADERS to LEAD.. Its your move 141 whats you gonna do.