Dog Wonder
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Now self-important and boring on two threads.
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Now self-important and boring on two threads.
Dog Wonder,
You seem to be very unsupportive of Tim's proposals/agenda. Could you expound? I'm trying to be mindful of my grammer and typos. lol
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Does anyone know if our negotiations team is trying to get more money put in our pension
I just read on another thread that UA customer service election if they lose we will lose another
9000 members. so like the same thing that happened after the NW-DL election all of a sudden
we get a dear john letter tells us we are going to go to a lower pay out schedule. History has a way
of repeating itself and I'm afraid anything we get added to our pension will be taken away AGAIN.
Please guys if your reading this stop screwing around with our future retirement its bad enough
we will lose almost half of our future contributions as soon as we sign a new deal dont make the same
mistake twice.I also have a question for our district leaders , someone at work told me that our officers
get another pension on top of what we get are they losing half of there pension as well or is it just
for the dues paying rank and file.
Tim's agenda is Tim.
You should be more mindful of your 'grammer' after agreeing with Tim the current IAM proofreaders had a fourth grade education.
I don't believe the negotiations team has even started negotiating anything to do with your retirement at this point. Maybe so but I don't think so.No one 'knows' what the negotiating committee is looking for. What I have heard, however, leads me to believe that they are working predominantly towards improving what we have now. This would be things like the sick policy, overtime, and yes, pension.
I'd also like to bring up this whole "We lost our pension" thing. My understanding (and no one has provided evidence that I'm wrong short of "No, you're wrong") is that future contributions (from the start of our next CBA OR 2014) will be on a lower scale. We haven't lost anything. We won't lose anything. We WILL be getting less in future years unless there's a change to the current contribution in negotiations. We could come out with a contract that doesn't increase the contribution, lowering future accruals, a change that keeps the future as it is now, or (not likely) a change resulting in an increase in our pension benefit. My big point though, is that the money you've been putting in for the $80/month/year (or whatever it is exactly) is still worth that. If you quit now (and are vested) your pension won't be affected by the changes. If you're here when the changes happen, FUTURE payouts will be affected, but not the ones that were made in the past.
IMO, we keep it with the same contribution, while at the same time, enhancing retirement options with any increased benefit, possibly a Roth or regular 401k
exactly where have you disagreed with me at? Is there any part of the Occupy 141 platform that you disagree with and why?First time in a while that I've agreed with you. There's too much polarization on the pension v. 401k issue. I say let's have both. Keep the pension where it's at (or maybe increase it a bit) and bring back a company match on 401k. Don't like the pension, too bad, but you get some 401k. Hate 401k, suck it up, but here's some pension anyway. There's positives and negatives to both, and different investment viewpoints will lean one way or the other.
Another option would be a choice: Pension or 401k with match, but I don't know how well that would work.
First time in a while that I've agreed with you. There's too much polarization on the pension v. 401k issue. I say let's have both. Keep the pension where it's at (or maybe increase it a bit) and bring back a company match on 401k. Don't like the pension, too bad, but you get some 401k. Hate 401k, suck it up, but here's some pension anyway. There's positives and negatives to both, and different investment viewpoints will lean one way or the other.
Another option would be a choice: Pension or 401k with match, but I don't know how well that would work.