Iam Merger Information

[Bird Doctor]

Why do keep posting scare tactics. Do you and the IAM think you will lose the vote. so you post this, or are your IAM members to lazy to vote to get the 50%+1 and think that there will be no union repesentation. because every one I have talked to has told me they would vote. Some even said for the IAM That should make you happy. You should read the IBT contract cause it says that we won't out source any maintenance that is being done in house now. So no layoffs in the East. I dont see how you dont see going with the IBT is a WIN WIN WIN for all of us.

And plaese don't use scope in your reply.

INFO.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/amwest_flier.pdf
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa...Meeting_PHL.pdf
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa...ech_Meeting.pdf

OK you are right we don't do S & Q checks as you do in the east. DEAD subject. IBT SCOPE will not let any mtc that is being done in house now to be out sourced. So your work there stays. That is a good thing, RGIHT?

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT? Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...
Staying with the IAM what do you gain?


MAKE YOUR POINT

 

[700UW]

The work is not being performed under the IBT contract, watch it walkout the door and a 1,000 mechanics laid-off and gee since US is vastly senior to the HP AMTs guess you will be on the streets and not the US mechs.

And the scope is the same except for the 757, 767, 330 and 50% of the 737s, it has all ready been tested and won.

Where is your scope language for the past ten years?

We have had the scope language since 1949, and it took the bankruptcy judge to modify it as the IAM was not going to give it up.

Can you say the same?

 

[Bird Doctor]

The work is not being performed under the IBT contract, watch it walkout the door and a 1,000 mechanics laid-off and gee since US is vastly senior to the HP AMTs guess you will be on the streets and not the US mechs.

And the scope is the same except for the 757, 767, 330 and 50% of the 737s, it has all ready been tested and won.

Where is your scope language for the past ten years?

We have had the scope language since 1949, and it took the bankruptcy judge to modify it as the IAM was not going to give it up.

Can you say the same?

You should read the IBT contract cause it says that we won't out source any maintenance that is being done in house now. Where is your scope language for the past ten years? Ther hasn't been any Mtc sent out since IBT was voted in.

Can you say the same about your IAM?

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT? Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...
Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT

 

[700UW]

And during the past ten years you have not brought in any heavy mtc and through three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM CBA scope language is far superior to the IBT CBA.

IBT= Outsourcing: CO, WN(when IBT) and UPS.

 

[Awa Contract]

Lets see, IAM contract claims superior scope to protect jobs, hmmmm How many thousand do you have on your furlough list. IBT scope no work done now can be outsourced, IBT furluogh list has a number of 2. Oh yes you won that arguement - NOT!!!!

 

[700UW]

How many Mechanics did HP layoff that finally made you unionize?

And the IAM and its members are not responsible for the layoffs, management is.

And like I said, thru three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM has more mechanics employed at US/East then the IBT does at US/West.

And thru all of that the scope language is still far superior.

I guess three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies means nothing to you.

And what about the IBT blessing of outsourcing at WN, CO and UPS?

What about the concessions that the IBT took at CO this year?

Keep trying to deflect the reality with attacks, eventhough it is not working.

 

[Bird Doctor]

And during the past ten years you have not brought in any heavy mtc and through three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM CBA scope language is far superior to the IBT CBA.

IBT= Outsourcing: CO, WN(when IBT) and UPS.

WE will be bring all your Mtc being done in the East under the IBT contract and not outsourceing any. Like you have. IAM CBA scope language is far superior to the IBT CBA. Oh I can see that your giving Mtc up out sourceing what you had. Yes that is SUPERIOR language...NOT

We have not brought any back but we haven't loss any like you have.

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...

Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question.

 

[700UW]

We have a matching 401K, sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant.

You have no gaurantee what US would keep if the IBT becomes certified.

And like I said our scope language is still superior through all the bankruptcies, but I guess you wont let the facts stand in your way of your continual rants.

We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.

And finally maybe you will realize, the IAM will become certified and the IBT contract will go bye bye and your negotiations will be all for naught as any gains you make will be thrown in the trash by US Labor Relations.

 

[Bird Doctor]

700UW >>."And like I said, thru three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM has more mechanics employed at US/East then the IBT does at US/West."

Check the numbers IBT has 4100 employed at US/West. <<Teamsters Airline Journal Summer 2005. 3100CSR 850 Tech 69 Stock clerks. Helping you with your FACTS

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...

Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question

 

[Bird Doctor]

We have a matching 401K, sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Right again you do get a 2% match not like our 6%. How silly of me to think that 6 is more than 2.

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...

Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question

 

[gonzo]

We have a matching 401K, sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant.

You have no gaurantee what US would keep if the IBT becomes certified.

And like I said our scope language is still superior through all the bankruptcies, but I guess you wont let the facts stand in your way of your continual rants.

We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.

And finally maybe you will realize, the IAM will become certified and the IBT contract will go bye bye and your negotiations will be all for naught as any gains you make will be thrown in the trash by US Labor Relations.

Mr. 700 you keep avoiding posting the new scope for the IAM. Come on now back up your statements and stop your ranting.
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And during the past ten years you have not brought in any heavy mtc and through three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM CBA scope language is far superior to the IBT CBA.

IBT= Outsourcing: CO, WN(when IBT) and UPS.

Ok.....here is another chance to show the new IAM scope. You still haven't shown it yet Mr. 700. I am beginning to believe that you are ashamed of your new scope. Come on now.............post it.
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Can any of the IAM crew explain why Mr. 700 doesn't show the new scope?

 

[Bird Doctor]

We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.

YOU MAKE THIS TO EASY

I dont see how you passed the third grade? I'm toped out at $23.35 + $2.00 for lic. + .35 shift pay = $25.70 OH I work in the hanger just so numbers are the same. Just a wrench. IAM top out $22.77 + $1.00 for lic. + .00 shift pay =23.77 with your whooping 1% 2006,1% 2007, 2%2008, 2% 2009 That is $24.00/06 and $24.25/07 and $24.73/08 and $25.22/09 That is good math in 4 years you will still be .55 cents behind what I'm making NOW

That is $3536.00 less in 06, $3016.00i n 07, $2018.00 in 08, and $999.00 in 09 ==TOTAL OF $9569.00

Would you like to retrack your statement about PAY???

Now from your agreement Scope/Other

ITEM#1 SCOPE as I see it you got the S-Check by giving up the 757,767,and A330 and the Company may outsource a max of 50% REQUIRED Q-checks and any and all SHOPS/AREA as discribed in Attachment C this list has 33 shops on it.

ITEM#7 279 Minimum A/C " The scope and job security of the Jan 2003 Agrrment requiring the company to maintain a minimum fleet size of 279 total mainline aircraft will be ELIMINATED."

The more I read the more inpressed I am with you.

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...
Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT

 

[700UW]

700UW >>."And like I said, thru three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM has more mechanics employed at US/East then the IBT does at US/West."

Check the numbers IBT has 4100 employed at US/West. <<Teamsters Airline Journal Summer 2005. 3100CSR 850 Tech 69 Stock clerks. Helping you with your FACTS

So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...

Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question

The CSRs will have their own contract and they are not part of the same class and craft as the mechanic and related employees, their being IBT has nothing to do with maintenance.

Are you all that dense? All A320 family heavy mtc is performed in-house and 50% of 737 heavy and by the way your IBT contract will mean nothing when the IAM is declared the representative under single carrier status, you are just wasting your members' dues money on negotiations.

So keep trying and don't let the facts get in the way of your rants.

 

[Bird Doctor]

ANSWER the question

QUOTE(700UW @ Oct 22 2005, 09:44 AM)

We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.
Are you all that dense? All A320 family heavy mtc is performed in-house and 50% of 737 heavy and by the way your IBT contract will mean nothing when the IAM is declared the representative under single carrier status, you are just wasting your members' dues money on negotiations.


Now from your agreement Scope/Other

ITEM#1 SCOPE as I see it you got the S-Check by giving up the 757,767,and A330 and the Company may outsource a max of 50% REQUIRED Q-checks and any and all SHOPS/AREA as discribed in Attachment C this list has 33 shops on it. look at the list of 737 that are going to be left not a lot of Q-checks

ITEM#7 279 Minimum A/C " The scope and job security of the Jan 2003 Agrrment requiring the company to maintain a minimum fleet size of 279 total mainline aircraft will be ELIMINATED."

QUOTE(700UW @ Oct 22 2005, 09:44 AM)

We gain Scope, Heavy mtc and gaurantees, and we keep our seniority, also our pay will surpase yours as we have gauranted raises over the life of the contract and your no raises in yours till you ever get a new one.


YOU MAKE THIS TO EASY

I dont see how you passed the third grade? I'm toped out at $23.35 + $2.00 for lic. + .35 shift pay = $25.70 OH I work in the hanger just so numbers are the same. Just a wrench. IAM top out $22.77 + $1.00 for lic. + .00 shift pay =23.77 with your whooping 1% 2006,1% 2007, 2%2008, 2% 2009 That is $24.00/06 and $24.25/07 and $24.73/08 and $25.22/09 That is good math in 4 years you will still be .55 cents behind what I'm making NOW

That is $3536.00 less in 06, $3016.00i n 07, $2018.00 in 08, and $999.00 in 09 ==TOTAL OF $9569.00

Would you like to retrack your statement about PAY???




QUOTE(700UW @ Oct 22 2005, 09:44 AM)
We have a matching 401K, sorry to let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Right again you do get a 2% match not like our 6%. How silly of me to think that 6 is more than 2.



So lets see going with the IBT you loss WHAT?
Gain Pay , Vac, Sick pay, 401k,etc etc etc...
Staying with the IAM what do you gain?

MAKE YOUR POINT
ANSWER the question
Read your agreement

 

[Mr Eagle]

How many Mechanics did HP layoff that finally made you unionize?

And the IAM and its members are not responsible for the layoffs, management is.

And like I said, thru three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies the IAM has more mechanics employed at US/East then the IBT does at US/West.

And thru all of that the scope language is still far superior.

I guess three rounds of concessions and two bankruptcies means nothing to you.

And what about the IBT blessing of outsourcing at WN, CO and UPS?

What about the concessions that the IBT took at CO this year?

Keep trying to deflect the reality with attacks, eventhough it is not working.

HOW Much DOES The IAM Pay You For Your BLOG'S? And I Hope again WE @ US Airways Are not paying you when you sit on your Blessed ASSurance to Write Such Negative Junk. MWW.