IBT Card Drive

[700UW]

I have provided it numerous times all ready, let me repeat AGAIN.

AMFA wins at WN, the ibt contract is the CBA that AMFA now enforces and the Mechanics work under.

AMFA wins at UAL, IAM contract is the CBA that AMFA enforced and members worked under until bankruptcy forced concessions upon them.

PFAA defeats ibt at NWA, PFAA enforces former ibt contract until amendable date.

AMFA wins at NWA, enforces IAM contract until amendable date.

A change in representation does not open up a CBA per the RLA and NMB.

 

[delldude]

its time to bring in a real union....a union for all....fair represention....
delldude is officially calling for a third union in the running....
THE U.P.W.

be sure to sign a card today before its too late,yo. 😉
UNITED
PIMP
WORKERS
hey...yo.

 

[smmech]

I have provided it numerous times all ready, let me repeat AGAIN.

AMFA wins at WN, the ibt contract is the CBA that AMFA now enforces and the Mechanics work under.

AMFA wins at UAL, IAM contract is the CBA that AMFA enforced and members worked under until bankruptcy forced concessions upon them.

PFAA defeats ibt at NWA, PFAA enforces former ibt contract until amendable date.

AMFA wins at NWA, enforces IAM contract until amendable date.

A change in representation does not open up a CBA per the RLA and NMB.

LOL AMFA open up the IBT contract at SWA??? Why the hell would they, its the best contract out there.

Anyway as I have stated befor your exsamples lack merit because they are not similar situations. If we were one happy family and the IBT came in on a vote your correct there would be no opening the CBA. But that is not the case is it. We are seperate units with different unions and CBA's. One of those CBA's is ammendable.

 

[700UW]

Go ask the NMB and read the RLA.

Even if there is an election the IAM CBA would be the surviving document once the NMB certifies single carrier status.

Go take the time and educate yourself.

A change in representation does not open up a contract under the RLA.

 

[Smartest Loser]

Parker has allready stated many times that no furlowed employees can bump out an active employee. he said he would not allow it! there are plenty of openings in the us east side and a few on the west side as of now so its not like any who wants to come back can't or can soon.

This is the funny part...You believe him..!!!

 

[justaumechanic]

Ok.. Clear this up for me.

For the purpose of legal matters AWA bought US Airways. Everything you read, everything that is written states it clearly. US Airways as a company no longer exists. AWA changed its name to US Airways.

Now for the purpose of single carrier status which must occur for the combined carrier to operate as one how do you know the IAM contract as written today will be the
CBA that makes it to the single carrier?

The correct answer is you don't. You don't know for certain.

Doug and his team are very smart. They do not want the IAM
contract. They want the IBT contract.. It is by far much
more flexiable and allows them to outsource anything they want anytime.. Pay rates aside its the freedom they are looking for.

So how do you know 700 that the IAM CBA will be the surviving document?

That's what I keep asking and you never seem to have a clear answer.. Not trying to start any fight and not sticking you with a fork.. Clearly I am looking for an answer.

You can not deny the fact that US Airways before the merger no longer exists.. Regardless of the equity partners AWA is the buying company. Yes it was a merger but only on the surface. The legal documents say it was a buy out.

So in the buy out which CBA is the survivor?

As fate would have it you can almost bet your life savings that the AWA CBA will be the winner.

Explain your position and maybe I will agree with you.

Go ask the NMB and read the RLA.

Even if there is an election the IAM CBA would be the surviving document once the NMB certifies single carrier status.

Go take the time and educate yourself.

A change in representation does not open up a contract under the RLA.

 

[700UW]

Go read the latest filings, America West is now a subsidiary of US Airways Group, HP stockholders were given US stock.

And AWA did not buy US, it is a merger funded by outside investors.

So why is Labor Relations Negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM to being the US/west under the IAM CBA?

 

[Mr Eagle]

Go read the latest filings, America West is now a subsidiary of US Airways Group, HP stockholders were given US stock.

And AWA did not buy US, it is a merger funded by outside investors.

So why is Labor Relations Negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM to being the US/west under the IAM CBA?

WHY? Because Doug Parker Like's an Environment of Peace Harmony, & Survival with The EMPLOYEE's,He Is Not affraid to Meet with any Group if There is a Chance for Negotiating. Doug P is Meeting with All Group's To Make This Thing WORK. REMEMBER WE NEED TO SURVIVE THE MERGER FIRST!!!!!!! Then Let's RUMBLE. MWW

 

[320tech]

Go read the latest filings, America West is now a subsidiary of US Airways Group, HP stockholders were given US stock.

And AWA did not buy US, it is a merger funded by outside investors.

So why is Labor Relations Negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM to being the US/west under the IAM CBA?

us airways stock was done away with just like awa was after the merger the new stock lcc was created and by the way the awa shareholders were given more stoke then the us airways shareholders, awa was the surviving airline read the orig scc filings the latest filings are secondary they are just using the awa name. think why was the hq moved to tempe maybe because we are the surviving airline just because they chose to keep the us airways name does not mean your old airline still exists today it doesn't its the new us airways.

 

[tokerboy]

all this BS aside.......when is the grand day all will know whether its IBT or IAM and a runoff??

Dude! I couldn't agree more. All parties invovled need to SH#% or get off the pot!

 

[delldude]

all this stuff here and historically NMB usually goes with the carrier with a higher number of representation and if it goes that way you will need a run off for IBT to survive.
if it wasn't that way there wouldn't be a full court press by IBT for survival as in this light they stand to lose a significant amount of dues structure.
or on the other hand,gain a significant amount of dues structure...so in the end...its really all about money,just like any other business.....screw you and me.
we're talking bucks,not lives 😉

 

[justaumechanic]

You should take your own advice.. Go back and read.

US Airways does not exist anymore. Not the old US Airways. AWA adopted the US Airways name and US Airways Group name. All you need to do is read this in the SEC filings and the Chapter 11 documents.

This is why CCY is no more. Tempe calls the shots now and Lakefield is all but a memory.

You never answered the question I asked. The negotiations that are taking place are basically informational in nature and are really not anything specific. You could call it a meet and greet.

Read your SEC filings.. For legal purposes America West purchased US Airways.. That makes them the aquiring carrier. That's the part the IAM is afraid of.

Yes the AWA operating certificate is now under US Airways group however US Airways group was created to contain both US Airways and AmericaWest under one financial umbrella.

The old US Airways group is gone. Totally gone.. US Stock holders got nothing vs AWA stock holders who got shares in the new LCC.

You give out quite a bit of info but you don't seem to be to interested in your own advice.. Go back and read.

Now I ask the question again. Who says the IAM CBA will be the surviving document? Don't compare this to AMFA at UAL and LUV.. Not the same thing. That was a representation change.. This is a totally different thing. If single carrier status is granted following the AWA operations manual and certificate which CBA do you think will survive?

Doug and clan are a smart bunch. They already know the outcome.. So does the IAM.. That's why they are fighting so hard.. Its a lost cause..

Go read the latest filings, America West is now a subsidiary of US Airways Group, HP stockholders were given US stock.

And AWA did not buy US, it is a merger funded by outside investors.

So why is Labor Relations Negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM to being the US/west under the IAM CBA?

 

[smmech]

You should take your own advice.. Go back and read.

US Airways does not exist anymore. Not the old US Airways. AWA adopted the US Airways name and US Airways Group name. All you need to do is read this in the SEC filings and the Chapter 11 documents.

This is why CCY is no more. Tempe calls the shots now and Lakefield is all but a memory.

You never answered the question I asked. The negotiations that are taking place are basically informational in nature and are really not anything specific. You could call it a meet and greet.

Read your SEC filings.. For legal purposes America West purchased US Airways.. That makes them the aquiring carrier. That's the part the IAM is afraid of.

Yes the AWA operating certificate is now under US Airways group however US Airways group was created to contain both US Airways and AmericaWest under one financial umbrella.

The old US Airways group is gone. Totally gone.. US Stock holders got nothing vs AWA stock holders who got shares in the new LCC.

You give out quite a bit of info but you don't seem to be to interested in your own advice.. Go back and read.

Now I ask the question again. Who says the IAM CBA will be the surviving document? Don't compare this to AMFA at UAL and LUV.. Not the same thing. That was a representation change.. This is a totally different thing. If single carrier status is granted following the AWA operations manual and certificate which CBA do you think will survive?

Doug and clan are a smart bunch. They already know the outcome.. So does the IAM.. That's why they are fighting so hard.. Its a lost cause..

Amen brother.... 700 answers these posts but allways leaves out either the fact that the current IBT CBA is ammendable, or fails to show proof of his BS about the IAM CBA stiking around. BTW I have educated myself there is no historical proof of what you state.

 

[delldude]

BTW I have educated myself there is no historical proof of what you state.

try looking into union case law and findings for representation under single carrier status. 🙂

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Well maybe, a ruling will be issued that is unique to the current situation and not cookie cuttered......we can only hope that EVERYONE gets the best out of it all.