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[proAMT]

I cannot help but notice both of your recent post contirbute nothing to the discussion, but instead offer complaints and personal attacks against others.

You didn't happen to skip over the request for ideas and what you have done lately to help out on purpose did you?

I have no illusions that the TWU will ever be changed regardless of who gets elected to local office.

All one has to do is read the Constitutional Convention Proceedings of 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, 2005 ect to see that substantial change is not really possible within the TWU. Have you read any of these Documents?

I am a little more optimistic than in the recent past. I guess I'm a glass is half full kind of guy or perhaps you wish to label me naive.

We have several members in office now that yearn for a democratic shift. A balance of power is beginning to be tipped in a direction the International cannot be happy about. It's about putting the membership in charge rather than consolidating power and selling out the membership.

I'd rather go down fighting than to put up with what we have now.

 

[Bob Owens]

I agree. Is'nt that what the T/A'd $2.55 in line premium is though?
If not $2.55 then how much?

I have no problem myself with GEO pay as I have personally vistied AMT's at line stations and can see the cost of living difference.

Well I have to wonder if the guy working the line in Tulsa must live in a differeent GEO area than the guys at the hangar? I do think that the Line Premium should reflect the conditions that line mechanics face, weather, weekends and time pressures but its not GEO Pay.

What the company did was take an item that really isnt that divisive anymore, GEO Pay, pretend to address it by sticking in something that will cause a lot of division. The number of line mechanics in Tulsa is very small, so it wont have that much of an impact there, but down in Texas its a different story, AFW and DFW workers pretty much work side by side. I think the intent is to motivate OH AMTs to go to the line to make room to get the SMA headcount up to 20% ASAP.

 

[TWU informer]

Well I have to wonder if the guy working the line in Tulsa must live in a differeent GEO area than the guys at the hangar? I do think that the Line Premium should reflect the conditions that line mechanics face, weather, weekends and time pressures but its not GEO Pay.

So what is your figure for NY Bob.
About $2.55 for line premium for facing weather, weekends, and time preesures.
And then about $6.50 for living in New York?
Would you making about $9.05 per hour more than the Tulsa Overhaul guy suffice for you?
Or would it actually be higher?

By the way don't forget the Tulsa AMT will soon be working weekends and midnights without retention pay.
Most on the Pulse Line face time pressures from management daily that you have likely never faced, nor will you ever face.
And the hangars here are not Air Conditioned and this week heat index is about 106 degrees, in the winter they tow aircraft in snow and ice on regular basis.

Most photos I see from NY show AMT's working in the Hangar.

 

[Bob Owens]

By the way don't forget the Tulsa AMT will soon be working weekends and midnights without retention pay.
Most on the Pulse Line face time pressures from management daily that you have likely faced.
And the hangars here are not Air Conditioned and this week heat index is about 106 degrees, in the winter they tow aircraft in snow and ice on regular basis.

Not if they Vote No.
The hangars arent heated?
I'll take hot over bitter cold anyday.

 

[TWU informer]

Not if they Vote No.
The hangars arent heated?
I'll take hot over bitter cold anyday.

Come on down and enjoy a few days working the hangar in some real heat and let's talk again.

How much more per hour for your life and terrible conditions is fair when compared to a TUL O/H AMT?

How many of your members are NOT workiing a Hangar?

 

[Bob Owens]

How many of your members are NOT workiing a Hangar?

The majority of them do not regularly work in a hangar. Look at how many Overnighters we have in JFK, LGA and BOS,they have Hangars but not that many bays. Obviously most are worked on outside and everything in EWR, PHL and SJU is done outside because AA doesnt have Hangars there.

I think that giving up more of the weekends is a bad move for the bases. Its nice to know that the option is there to go to a base. I also dont expect to have the GEO, Line, MRT etc to bring our standrad of living up to what we would have in Tulsa, I just want to get something reasonable.

 

[TWU informer]

also dont expect to have the GEO, Line, MRT etc to bring our standrad of living up to what we would have in Tulsa, I just want to get something reasonable.

And Reasonable Equals? In your opinion

I get the feeling you really don't want to answer this.

 

[Wehttam]

And Reasonable Equals? In your opinion

I get the feeling you really don't want to answer this.

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[Large Grey]

Nope, all are greedy just as is society in general.

That is why divide and conquer works so well.

Hell, we couldnt even get everyone to stick together and leave a company provided chicken sanwhich on the table to show unity.

A chicken sandwich? ROFLMAO!!! I bet they served it on wax paper.

 

[Boomer]

I agree. Is'nt that what the T/A'd $2.55 in line premium is though?
If not $2.55 then how much?

I have no problem myself with GEO pay as I have personally vistied AMT's at line stations and can see the cost of living difference.

TWU Informer,

You can argue the specifics of any type cost calculator: city pairs, effect on revenue, revenue generated as a percentage of ASMs,...etc.

Take a look at the following link and just add in the difference from TUL to the appropriate city.

LINK PROVIDED:
Cost of Living Comparitive Calculator

 

[Rogallo]

Good find Boomer. Percent increase to maintain standard of living from Tulsa to Brooklyn: 107.02%

Huh?

 

[TWU informer]

Good find Boomer. Percent increase to maintain standard of living from Tulsa to Brooklyn: 107.02%

Huh?

No doubt we can convince the Tulsa AMT's to give up on structure of the "Roll Call" vote of the TWU so that the NY AMT can make 107% more than a TUL AMT.

Good Luck with that one.

 

[Boomer]

No doubt we can convince the Tulsa AMT's to give up on structure of the "Roll Call" vote of the TWU so that the NY AMT can make 107% more than a TUL AMT.

Good Luck with that one.

It all depends on what the meaning of is: is.

The Negotiations for any particular group at AA represented by the TWU are a sham and a misdirection given the Federal Court ruling affirming the TWU International position that they alone hold ownership to the M&R Contract.

The TWU International could walk in tomorrow and tell the M&R Negotiations team to go home in the same way that they chose which of the TWU M&R Presidents were actually allowed to attend negotiations sessions.

The individual TUL TWU AMT does not figure into the equation required to change the negotiations dynamic and the outcome as long as we are under the TWU.

 

[Large Grey]

Solution: "Outsource"

 

[Boomer]

Solution: "Outsource"

NO: vote NO