if we cannot recommend it, we’re not sending it
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Not entirely true. The T/A was suspended until further notice. Today, with Little as the rep, the TWU and company met to see if
anything could be worked out. Apparently not!
The T/A is officially dead and now we get to see the NMB use their crooked heavy hand and carry out their threat of no release and no new negotiations until after the new year.
This is what my hard earned dues/gift to the Democratic Party gets me. :angry:
For the TWU M&R: lemmings meet cliff; if you are here, it is your objective to jump. The only way to stop the lemmings from jumping from the cliff is to prevent their assembly.
The Ramp Locals prevented assembly from becoming reality by going assymetrical with the International. They bowed to the pressure to create a TA and then activley stated that they were against it: big loss of face for Little Jimmy and an interesting response from Conley in stepping down, if even for the moment.
Too bad, soo sad, that the TWU M&R locals populate their executive branch with lemming herders, and eagerly await the order to assemble.
The Ramp Locals prevented assembly from becoming reality by going assymetrical with the International. They bowed to the pressure to create a TA and then activley stated that they were against it: big loss of face for Little Jimmy and an interesting response from Conley in stepping down, if even for the moment.
Too bad, soo sad, that the TWU M&R locals populate their executive branch with lemming herders, and eagerly await the order to assemble.
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Although I am envious that their TA was suspended, the problem is that it is only suspended. Having spoken to several members of the negotiation committees of Titles I, II, and IV....they admitted that Jack Kane made a statement that once Title I agreed to a TA, the bargaining positions of the other groups were greatly diminished. And you could see the speed at which those groups' TA's followed like ducks in a row.
The mediator told a stores negotiator point blank that his group could continue to push for release, but the company will not offer anything more than what was on he table.
I want to believe that by turning this TA down, we could undo it as another concessionary contract. As a matter of fact, I hope it is rejected soundly by all groups.
But past history should remind all of us how docile and accommodating the TWU is and our chances of getting a contract without further concessions is just not a possibility as long as they represent us.
I will be voting NO, but unfortunately, what follows a no vote will be harder to swallow.
they should never have agreed to this t/a if they they didn't have all the t and i dotted.
and now to back pedal I don't see how the nmb is going to let them out of this, the biggest screw up by the twu (and they screw up alot)
should have put it to a vote let the members vote it down and aleast SAVE face with the nmb
any thoughts of the nmb being labor friendly in the obama years was just torn apart thank you TWU
and now to back pedal I don't see how the nmb is going to let them out of this, the biggest screw up by the twu (and they screw up alot)
should have put it to a vote let the members vote it down and aleast SAVE face with the nmb
any thoughts of the nmb being labor friendly in the obama years was just torn apart thank you TWU
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Allowing the membership to influence policy is not within the TWU philosophy. Instead, the members are ignorant and "they" are going to save us from ourselves. Just ask "them"
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I agree they shouldn't have ever put it to the members. Talk about raising false expectations. Saving face with the NMB is definitely not an option now, as they look like spoiled children who can't follow through on promises they've made.
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This is in regard to Fleet's "contract" only and not the mech and related part, isn't it?
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Anyone remember how fast these TA's came out following the tough talk asking to be released from negotiations?
The TWU leadership is leading us to believe that their hollow threats forced the company's hand.
I look at this a little differently......By bringing it to the membership, it showed good faith on behalf of the union to bring it to a vote.
Now, it is our responsibility to turn it down and in turn convince the mediator it is time to turn it down and let the countdown begin!
If I were trying to come up with a hypothetical example of a failure to negotiate in good faith, I'd be hard pressed to imagine a better one than a union negotiating committee that would agree to a TA with the employer and then a few weeks later say "We changed our mind - we're not going to submit it to a member vote after all." Further negotiations by the employer with such a useless bunch would be pointless.
I wouldn't vote for the TA if I were you, but I'd fire the worthless union and its worthless leaders before I'd let them negotiate anything further on my behalf. They've proven (yet again) their ineptitude at negotiations.
I wouldn't vote for the TA if I were you, but I'd fire the worthless union and its worthless leaders before I'd let them negotiate anything further on my behalf. They've proven (yet again) their ineptitude at negotiations.
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By good faith, I meant the TWU towards the mediator. Nothing else with respect to TA substance.
The reason "they changed their mind" was a simple one. The membership blasted them with only the TA highlights.
As for mechanic and related, somewhat a different story. There is more to "divide and conquer" with our group because of the numerous job functions, job classifications, base maintenance and line maintenance, etc.
More than any other work group......The mechanics are their own worst enemy!
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I think that's the point.... Good faith means not only listening to both sides and all available options, but also sending a team who is prepared and capable of making decisions which will in turn be acceptable to the membership.
Based on the reaction of the membership, an outsider will draw one of three conclusions -- the union's negotiators were inept and out of touch with reality, were outsmarted by the company's negotiators, or both.
Either way, I don't think it's going to sway the mediator towards declaring an impasse.
I've said it before -- you guys need some professional negotiators at the table with your laymen. He who represents himself in court has a fool for an attorney, and I'm pretty certain it's not much different with negotiating a labor contract...
