January will be a very bad month at American
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How do you figure?...
First, Mesaba's mechanics aren't on strike, and if it's a lease rejection, it's not their's to work.
Even if NWA owned the aircraft, again since it's a lease rejection, it isn't struck work the minute NWA gives up posession.
PlayTheOdds
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The TWA Scabs have nothing to do with Mesaba, thats just what the X-AA guys here like to call the TWA'ers that stole thier jobs at AA.
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well PTO those x-AA guys that you allude to are just as ignorant as you!....TWA was Bought By AA, therefore NO ONE crossed a picket line or worked struck work...GEEEZ MAN Educate yourself already!
Imagine that an ex-AAer, now SCAB for life, complaining to a SCAB about TWAers being SCABs as a result of a merger or whatever they want to call it. Outside of those who promoted the Scab Fair in MCI, a job by merger does not make you a scab. Losing a job because of a merger or a downturn in the industry does not make those still working scabs. Now if MCI starts working on NWA planes, that would be the definition of a scab. Since they don't they are not.
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I think it went more like this:
AA AMT-------------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT------------------------Nine years in with TWA
AA AMT still AA------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT turned AA AMT------------Nine years in with AA
Original AA AMT----------------Ten years in with AA Furloughed
TWA'er AA AMT------------------Eleven years in With AA
The original AA AMT got screwed by the TWU. It is as simple as that. Quit trying to sugarcoat it. Their union the TWU failed them to no end. They were set up to have their jobs stolen by the TWA'ers.
AA AMT-------------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT------------------------Nine years in with TWA
AA AMT still AA------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT turned AA AMT------------Nine years in with AA
Original AA AMT----------------Ten years in with AA Furloughed
TWA'er AA AMT------------------Eleven years in With AA
The original AA AMT got screwed by the TWU. It is as simple as that. Quit trying to sugarcoat it. Their union the TWU failed them to no end. They were set up to have their jobs stolen by the TWA'ers.
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In effect MCI you are a Scab. The guys job you stole is now here working with me as Scabs. Quit trying to deny your bastard children. As I said before AA is the breeding and training ground for scabs. The TWU is the catalyst that brings them to life.
Oh by the way its not some guy, there are a lot of them.
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Hey View attachment 4124 that was an example. You plug-in whatever numbers you want. So tell us AMFAMAN is that basically how it went down or not?
Oh by the way its not some guy, there are a lot of them.
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...Any Ex-AA mechanic working as a SCAB at the Red Tail has as much Integrity as you and deserved to have his job replaced by a TWA mechanic.
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Now that is pure desperate ignorance talking. You guys like to dog Scabs, it appears to me that you unionists will be the first to stab your brother in the back.
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I think it went more like this:
AA AMT-------------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT------------------------Nine years in with TWA
AA AMT still AA------------------Eight years in with AA
TWA AMT turned AA AMT------------Nine years in with AA
Original AA AMT----------------Ten years in with AA Furloughed
TWA'er AA AMT------------------Eleven years in With AA
...and who had more time in then? Looks like the former TWA mechanic. ...and this therefore makes him a scab just how exactly? IIRC this scenario above would only have taken place at MCI (and maybe STL)...and only to any original AA line mechanics who got integrated into the overall station post merger.
If you look at just about any other station I seem to recall it would have taken 41 years of seniority for a former TWA mechanic to 'win out' on a RIF over a 10 year AA mechanic. As you can see employee integrations aren't neat or easy...or especially fair...particularily if you're the one on the short end of the stick...the TWU may not have been perfectly fair in their role in this process...but at least they did the 'equitable thing' and asked a third party arbitrator to look at it and present a solution. I guess there's something to be said for AFL-CIO affiliation...something that can't be said (to some extent) for the APA or certainly for the APFA....or the outcome for the former TWA employees now 'represented' by those unions. For the FAs you have 35 year former TWA FAs sitting on the bench while original AA FAs with now 5 years seniority are on the job. Now I don't think you can really call the 5 year AA FA a scab either...it wasn't a personal choice for them how the 'dovetailing' (or lack thereof) went with the TWA staff...there might be some words you could use to call the union..but that's off-topic...in fairness I don't thing it's fair at all to label either the 11 year TWA mechanic or the 5 year AA FA scabs for their actions related to integration. Clearly you don't understand the definition of the term.
Now...going into a shop and filling the shoes of a guy who is out walking the picket line just trying to maintain the standard of living he's carved out for his family...there is a word for that buddy...and I think you know what it is. :down: :down: :down:
Kev3188
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Good lord. This is a new record even for you...
PlayTheOdds
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I'm just passing along what your Brothers are telling me of how it went down. They are not happy at all.
