Mike's Fired Up-US AFA LABOR THREAD

[BajaBabe]

Molly always said how sad the bad BLOOD between Teddy and I because we do share the Love of the Flight Attendants.I am so proud to have served them and that my friends will be a defining moment in time.

 

[Travelpro72]

It's sad to see what this union has become both on the local level and the MEC. Well everyone doesn't have to agree all the time but to have the same drive and passion for your flight attendants is the common bond ya both shared. Or should I say SHARE.

 

[theFLYonthewall]

I pointed out a simple fact, an asked a simple question. The fact that Ms. Xidas got on her high horse and road in a blaze of glory and turned this into some kind of blood bath is just her style. The squeeky wheel, gets all the attention. I did not critize her, the thread was not about her. Once she turned it unprofessional with her name calling and idle threats, I pointed out her unprofessionalism. If you go back and read my posts you will find nothing other then that statement refers to her as a person.

I have been around a long time, I know how good Ms. Xidas was and how bad. I know the story how it began and how it ended. When these threads can no longer be an intelligent, adult and professional debate I no longer participate.

 

[PITbull]

Just curious, however my suspicion is that you've held just as many AFA elected positions as I have. NONE.

If I'm right then I too "know you"! Not your actual name but certainly the kind of person who is quick to critisize. Teddy Roosevelt summed it up nicely.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

I've not met a person who selflessly spent more time "In The Arena" then Teddy Xidas. She may have failed in some folks mind, but she put her big girl panties on and went to war spending herself for a worthy cause. If she failed, she failed while daring greatly.

It's great to go to sleep with a satisfied mind, as a clear conscience makes the worlds softest pillow and Teddy must sleep on the finest goose down. I wonder if her detractors can honestly say the same?

thanks Bob...really, thank you.

 

[PITbull]

I pointed out a simple fact, an asked a simple question. The fact that Ms. Xidas got on her high horse and road in a blaze of glory and turned this into some kind of blood bath is just her style. The squeeky wheel, gets all the attention. I did not critize her, the thread was not about her. Once she turned it unprofessional with her name calling and idle threats, I pointed out her unprofessionalism. If you go back and read my posts you will find nothing other then that statement refers to her as a person.

I have been around a long time, I know how good Ms. Xidas was and how bad. I know the story how it began and how it ended. When these threads can no longer be an intelligent, adult and professional debate I no longer participate.

I only pointed out the history. Not to make any topic about me. The past is the past... but hell, just learn from it. No one moves forward by constantly living in the past....its the past lessons hopefully that change the future outcomes.

You have within your power to do that; you are there... and I' m just an observer hoping that all that was attempted in the past rubs some folks in a way...that promotes courage and empowerment to change your current situations. I was NOT special. I was learning too. And I learned what worked; and what did not.
I did not succomb to self promotion, greed, and abuse the gift of "faith" of others. There was an expectation and the members expected me to rise above the good ole'boy menatality and step out... I used every means I could to humiliate this management and stir their attention that would give a public perception that would embarrass them and expose them for destroying a loyal, hard working, dedicated group of employees. I was not married to the position; it was just a means I used to be heard the loudest.

What's important is if you think your right and that righteousness is not to "serve self", than...you must be heard loud...the rest will follow.

 

[Itestwell]

As a Greek LODO she would only be a line holder May-Oct. Then she would have to sit reserve on this LTO system that was negotiated under her leadership. Unless of course the PHL base elects her to unseat JM. I'm not saying he shouldn't be unseated, but she isn't nearly as popular in PHL as she would like to think. Yes, her entire PIT base is over there now but thats not enough votes to carry her into office. Frankly I think it would be sweet justice to see her have to sit in PHL as a reserve to get a good dose of what LTO means. She can go to BB for LTO advice, since he also played a part in negotiating it. Great team they made, two of US Airways finest AFA representatives. They can take credit for these last two contracts we have, thats something to be so proud of.

You now say you were just "asking" when the LTO was negotiated, but in the above post, earlier in the thread, you pretty much state that BB negotiated LTO. Why would you make that statement earlier if you were just asking the question?

And, frankly, who gives a cr*p if Pitbull comes on here and raises his/her voice with the truth? Wouldn't you do the same?

Further, in the above post, how do you know that TX is not as popular in PHL and would never have the votes to carry her into office? Have you conducted a poll, cuz ain't nobody asked me... Awfully presumptuous, I might say.

I will also agree with an above post: TG was excellent at what she did (grievances, among other things), and it's a shame that we no longer have her representing us.

 

[beachboy]

I was NOT special. I was learning too. And I learned what worked; and what did not.

PIT you were and are special because you dared to care. 😉

 

[Travelpro72]

Itestwell and Beachboy, I'm too tired to type so if ya don't mind I'll simply say, "I second everthing you both said". 1000%.

 

[ussnark]

The fact of the matter is what I stated, TX, BB and TG were part of the 2002 negotiating committee, that is fact? The question I had was did that committee negotiate LTO. You said NO-fine end of that story.

No, it is not "end of story".

You did not "ask" a question. You made a statement, implying that they were responsible for LTO.

It seems now, you are trying to "weasel out" of the responsibility for your post. We all know what you meant. Now, we know what you are.

 

[theFLYonthewall]

What I am? Please...

My original post did state the TX would be on reserve once ATH shut down for the season, which would mean she would have to deal with LTO. LTO was negotiated in 2002, implemented in 2003. BB was on the 2002 negotiating committee along with TX and TG. Yes I did elude to the fact that, that negotiating team set the wheels in motion for LTO. If you go back and read the posts after the original I then begin to question whether or not that team in fact negotiated LTO. TX answered that question but of course had to put her spin on it to turn it into look at me i'm TX and I am the almighty warrior. Which I would of gladly continued this debate if she could stay calm, rational, and respectful. As I said once a thread becomes name calling and threatening because some enjoy trying to intimidate people, I have no desire to continue in a dialogue.

I apologize for the original post which was about BB, negotiating LTO apparently he did not. I do not owe TX an apology for anything, she is the one that turned the thread ugly. I stand by the statement of two of AFA finest reps, contracts under their leadership they can be proud of-she was LECP of the largest base then MECP and BB was LECP of BOS then MECVP so yes those contracts come under their leadership. The fact that she stepped out and said Don't Vote for it, good for her. Bottom line is we have had 3 concessionary contracts under TX and BB. The membership spoke so here we are.

Have a nice day.

 

[700UW]

Fly,

I guess the chapter 11 filing for concession one had nothing to do with it huh?

David Bronner late in 2002 threatening to shutdown the airline in Dec of 02 had nothing to do with concession round #2?

I guess filing chapter 11 in 2004 once again had nothing to do with another round of concessions?

Go read Section 1113 of the bankruptcy code, you know that is the section that US filed to have ALL labor contracts abrogated, then maybe and I say maybe you will understand what REALLY happened.

See we in the IAM lived the abrogation because the company NEVER intended to reach a mutual and acceptable deal, be happy with what you have because 46% of the mtc workforce was laidoff after the POS CBA was ratified that the courts forced upon us.

Guess you dont remember that ALPA, CWA, IAM and TWU all took three rounds of concessions too?

Yep all the employees just opened up their wallets and gave back to the company cause we are all so kind, NOT!

I was on the NC for the IAM M&R and you would be amazed at what the company pulled and how close GECAS was to taking their planes back in 04 and shutting down US, but hey, its easier to blame the union instead of the company and yourself, oh wait, you are the union, guess you dont realize that also.

 

[Travelpro72]

I love when I hear a comment about how TX or so and so is responsible for this horrible contract and namely the reserve section. Ummm I'd like to ask the same question, "What would YOU have done differently during that terrible period in USairways history"? I'd really like to know. As Piney said, "it's easy to bang away at a keyboard". Have at it cause I'd sure like to hear? I'm sure crickets will follow. *************

 

[PITbull]

What I am? Please...

My original post did state the TX would be on reserve once ATH shut down for the season, which would mean she would have to deal with LTO. LTO was negotiated in 2002, implemented in 2003. BB was on the 2002 negotiating committee along with TX and TG. Yes I did elude to the fact that, that negotiating team set the wheels in motion for LTO. If you go back and read the posts after the original I then begin to question whether or not that team in fact negotiated LTO. TX answered that question but of course had to put her spin on it to turn it into look at me i'm TX and I am the almighty warrior. Which I would of gladly continued this debate if she could stay calm, rational, and respectful. As I said once a thread becomes name calling and threatening because some enjoy trying to intimidate people, I have no desire to continue in a dialogue.

I apologize for the original post which was about BB, negotiating LTO apparently he did not. I do not owe TX an apology for anything, she is the one that turned the thread ugly. I stand by the statement of two of AFA finest reps, contracts under their leadership they can be proud of-she was LECP of the largest base then MECP and BB was LECP of BOS then MECVP so yes those contracts come under their leadership. The fact that she stepped out and said Don't Vote for it, good for her. Bottom line is we have had 3 concessionary contracts under TX and BB. The membership spoke so here we are.

Have a nice day.

The problem with your post is that you IMPLIED you knew the history...when in fact, you did not.

So, here you sit today....here's a question....

What has the biggest base PHL LECP, and the MECP, Mike F. done yet?????? Mike has been in "joint negotiations" since 2005....going on 4 years now.

As far as me, I don't care whether they fly Athens all year or for one month...I will SIT LTO, and fly when I'm told. When I come back it will not be to sit idle and #### about the conditions....It will be to CHANGE THE OUTCOME!

 

[BajaBabe]

Sorry I messed up .Are you really thinking about it? The entire process is jammed and I do not see any direction...........

 

[PITbull]

Sorry I messed up .Are you really thinking about it? The entire process is jammed and I do not see any direction...........

It's jammed because of poor leadership direction with no strategy....just alot of talk, talk, talk.
When you have leadership that is preoccupied with serving self, there is no direction forward.

Members need to change the leadership...those with the power who sit on their hands, collect the big pay and just give the big talk with NO action.