roadtrip
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I'm employed by US right now, but both of you are not so whats your next excuse
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I'm employed by US right now, but both of you are not so whats your next excuse
Score Tim 2
700's Zero
700IAM
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I am collecting a pension because I worked at U .Tim is a want-to-be leader who only makes himself look the a_z_z the more he posts...that is our affiliation with U...and where does it say one must meet certain qualifications to post anyway?
Who appointed you the God of who should post what? And where is you gold card with God’s signature on it?
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Dude thats one Lame a_z_z reply roadtrip was just pointing to the facts that you and the other 700 do hide behind the curtain you no longer work for US so why hide? Could it be you can dish it out on personal attacks but cant take it yourself?
I have read many of Tim's post I may not agree with everthing he says but he give his posts alot more credit by signing his name.
And by quoting Tim "just pointing to the scoreboard"
By the way I am active US......so I cant give my name but if I wasnt I sure wouldn't be a puzzy and hide.
wings396
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I read just about all of Tim's posts, and I must say that I agree with just about everyone one of them. He sees the IAM for what they really are, and tells it like it is. Some of you in the Mtc, group may have a better impression of the IAM, but those of us in Fleet sure don't think much of the way they have represented us over the years. As much as it may bother some on this board, the IAM has done a Piss-poor job for the Fleet represented group from day one. The first CBA that they came to us with, was nothing more than a copy of the PPG with a few signatures on it. I personally spoke to one of the AGC's at the time, and told him what a piece if trash it was. As we all know that CBA went by the wayside, and it was quite some time before they came up with a better one. As sad as it is, the first one had some language that would have permitted the outsourcing of several jobs at that time. The entire time that I was a dues paying member of the IAM, I got 2 raises follwed by three rounds of concessions, and then had my job outsourced to top things off. Can anyone honestly say that the IAM has done a good and fair job for the Fleet group over the years? If so, they have fooled and brainwashed you in some way, shape, or form. Being that I was in a smaller station, I can say that the IAM NEVER had any of us in their best interests. If you were in a Hub or large station where an AGC happened to work, you were golden, if not you were Screwed. As I said above, the IAM was ready to let the company outsource some jobs over 10 years ago, and they finally made it happen. A Union is SUPPOSED to try to protect their members, not sell them out. How can the 60 day furlough language only apply to ONE SINGLE GROUP ON THE PROPERY, which we all know is the Fleet group? This alone says it all about the IAM. IF the company had really wanted to press this issue in BK, I'm sure they would have thrust it upon other work groups as well. Being that Tim is, or was a member of Fleet Service, he knows first hand how the IAM has handled our group. I can't help but notice that most if not all that defend the IAM are NOT even members of the Fleet group to begin with.....Sad, but True... 
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What's funny is a I am nobody, nothing and if I posted my full name and address first off the Mods would go into orbit, second no one would know who the hell that is anyway.
Why are you hung up on something so irrelevant, is it because it’s all you can think to reply with, maybe you had a brain freeze, or are you really that just [t-h-a-t] slow? Probably and why many on these boards are still on the ramp crying woe is me.
Wings,
Guess you keep forgetting the fact that the CBA was abrogated by a Judge in Chapter 11 then you and your coworkers voted on a final offer, not a negotiated CBA and had the information in front of you.
But hey, once again it is easier for you to blame the IAM instead of the Company and the Courts.
Guess you keep forgetting the fact that the CBA was abrogated by a Judge in Chapter 11 then you and your coworkers voted on a final offer, not a negotiated CBA and had the information in front of you.
But hey, once again it is easier for you to blame the IAM instead of the Company and the Courts.
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You have a good memory so maybe you remember when they voted NOT to have a union and promptly got the royal shaft and then and only then [after it was too late] they voted for a union.
These are the same people posting on here today crying woe is me and how bad the IAM is when in reality what they received they not only asked for but freely accepted. Now after the fact they are crying it's IAM‘s fault with Tim on here as their cheerleader. Like I said: GROW UP Children.
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That wasn't the case with round one, and can you please explain the 60 day recall issue with Fleet then?? That alone is as Piss-poor as it gets for any Union's representation. I will once agian ask you to find me a poster on this board that is/was a member of the Fleet group to Cheer for the IAM such as you do. You can only blame the Comapny and the Courts so much already. Take a look at the CWA group....MLE classification GONE, no station work outsourced, no 60 day furlough pay issue...Need I go on???
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Get Bent Pal...The Fleet group was no better off with a Union than they were with the IAM. We paid dues for nothing. I could have saved my dues money, while my wages and benefits were being slashed left and right with the Powerless IAM sitting idle on the sidelines. Maybe having the IAM represent you in a Hub was worthwhile, but it ends there. They may as well have just had the Hubs unionized on their own as it was back in the 80's. The IAM did nothing for the outstations, except collect their dues.
Like it or not, that's that way it is.
Let me explain this one more time, it was NOT A NEGOTIATED CBA, it was a FINAL OFFER from US Airways to Fleet. The CWA gave up reservations to keep the airport locations, guess you forgot about that too? The CWA reached an agreement, the IAM did not.
The Company and the Courts did that to you, sorry if you don't like the truth, but that is what happened.
The 60 day was put in by the company, not the IAM, so go Ask Hemenway and Glass why they put that in there.
In round one you got a pension, something you lost in 1992, guess you forgot about that?
Guess you forgot about PDOs, no pension, no sick time, no vacation time, a grievance procedure and many other things you got back when the PPG was eliminated and you got a CBA.
The Company and the Courts did that to you, sorry if you don't like the truth, but that is what happened.
The 60 day was put in by the company, not the IAM, so go Ask Hemenway and Glass why they put that in there.
In round one you got a pension, something you lost in 1992, guess you forgot about that?
Guess you forgot about PDOs, no pension, no sick time, no vacation time, a grievance procedure and many other things you got back when the PPG was eliminated and you got a CBA.
There was some negotiating going on after the final offers a strike vote wile negotiating would have been helpful it helped CWA Something IAM does not do. CWA allow one reservations center to close and allow outsourcing to occur. Backfilling of vacancies created by outsourcing can only be replace if the vacancies exist by some one taking the early out, All active res employees received no furlough protection.
All furlough res agents were offered normal furlough rights with addition outplacement assistance plus additional $500.00. No reduction in force at the consolidated location. And the union will receive information relevant to outsourcing upon request. THE COMPANY exposed that they made a mistake outsourcing res
700 you are RIGHT THE COMPANY was hell bent on OUTSOURCING ONE WAY ARE ANOTHER.
Tim Nelson
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700, in some ways you're right. In bankruptcy there is nothing a union can do so why have one. Even IAM Boss Canale gave mention to the phrase "We had a gun to our head and a knife to our back." The simple truth of the matter is that a company will do whatever it needs to do and unions have to stand on the sidelines and just take it.
As for the quality of a fleet service job pre-iam days, we had much more benefits and a much better retirement than what they have now. Actually here is the breakdown:
Pre IAM 1992 Post IAM 2007
wages: $17.88 $15.60 or $17
stations: 85 10 or 12 I think
employees: 6,500 flirting from 4,000 or so
Retirement: up to 10% up to only 5%
Retirement base: included OT Doesn't include squat
Retirement portability: Yes No, little access
Vacation: 6 weeks 4 or 5 I think
Sick time: Paid Unpaid sick time
60 day rule: No yes
Health premiums: very low Higher but less benefit
Shift swaps: unlimited capped and strict
Dues paying: No, free Stuck with paying up to $50/mo
I could go on. I mean the IAM didn't even get us any of the contracted work back under and only added language that says 'where the company decides....'.
I realize the painful truth of the situation is that you are clueless about this stuff because you only heard bits and pieces from TG and other maintenance IAM Bosses who don't know squat but know how to BS.
At any rate, me and wings aren't the only ones who realize the 'piss clam' IAM is pathetic. Just pointing to the scoreboard 700, that's all. It shows 1985 non union wages in 2007. Sorry.
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Tim Nelson
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why don't you just stop lying?
Geez, 700 if we got to start nit picking over better non union wages over 20 years ago when comparing IAM benefits now then the union must be doing a horrible job.
Actually, many of the things I mentioned had nothing to do with bankruptcy and were just the IAM 'sticking it to its members' prior to bankruptcy. The IAM's first contract elminated over 80% of stations and fleet service went from 6,500 down to 3,700 workers [including 35% part time]. But the IAM did get fleet service to go from 5 sick days to 12 sick days by negotiating one week of vacation away!
Unfortunately, the attendance program never allowed someone to use 12 sick days a year anyways without severe discipline involved, and now they aren't even paid days anyways. Face it 700, the IAM sux as in they are awful bigtime. An organization that needs to go away and never come back.
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