tim i am not sure what to do you say the iam is bad but you still tried to get a position with them i dont understand that and people tell me you tried to start your own union is that true ? the inside people say the teamsters forced their transtion agreement on them without a vote and by you not sayin different i think that is true and that is way worse than what the iam did so i dont know who to believe. if you are orginizing for the teamsters you should know how they handled the inside people and be able to answer my question please and also are you going to get a job with the teamsters? i hope you can see my problem you say the iam is bad the inside people say the teamsters are bad you tried to start your own union and tried to get a position with the iam so who are the good guys in all of this that will look out for the average ramp guy?
1776phl welcome to the forum.
Being that you are new to this forum as I am, you will find a vast amount of information and misinformation.
First, the forum uses threads that are targeted largely to a particular group. This thread is a fleet service thread
and the majority of members and guests who follow or participate are fleet service. May I suggest finding a
customer service thread or start your own thread with a title for example "NEEDING CUSTOMER SERVICE INFO."
With over 13000 members of this forum I'm sure there is someone knowledgeable with IBT/CWA.
There is a feature in this forum that you can use that allows you to review a particular members post. If you use
this you will find that Tim Nelson is open about his history and is not a IBT rep. just a point man. He mentions
his attempts to do things to make a change within the Union but was not received well. He is transparent about
his attempts to make a change by doing whatever it takes (finding an another interested union or starting one
himself). This you do not need to hear second hand. Check out the "Jeff Hayden" thread, he breaks it all down
there.
If people do not answer your questions may I suggest that you don"t ask leading questions. This makes people
suspicious. They see your name 1776phl and it suggests "union loyalist" not someone really looking for answers
to make a decision about what, we do not know. You could also be an IAM $100,000 club member phishing, trying
to target Tim specifically rather than trying to gain legitimate information. You could be Randy Canolie trying to get
some payback. You ask for information and bash all in one thread all in one day. This can cause members to
question your motivations without the benefit of knowing anything about you.
Check out
http://www.cwa.net as I did and check out the newsletter archives to see the time line from the time
the membership voted on the combined union to the integration and transition.
09/19/05 - Suggestion of an Alliance
10/13/05 - 80% vote by the membership for an Alliance
12/06/05 - IBT + CWA has reached an Interim Transition Agreement
It includes:
1. End the pay step freeze for US Airways agents effective this coming April 1, 2006 – snap up to $18 per hour top rate from the current $17;
2. Reinstate the Vacation Option II (bid holidays as vacation) for US Airways effective the next vacation bid (Fall 2006);
3. Raise US Airways Mainline Express Agents to the Mainline pay scale in the following steps:
* $.40 raise on 4/1/06;
* four months later MLE Agents will be increased 25% of the difference between their current rate and the Mainline rate;
* six months later MLE Agents will be increased to 50% of the difference between their then current rate and the Mainline rate;
* five months later MLE Agents will be increased to 75% of the difference between their current rate and the Mainline rate;
* five months later MLE Agents will be increased to 100% of the Mainline rate.
4. Raise America West Agents to the CWA US Airways Mainline pay scale in the same increments listed in #3 above.
5. Transition America West agents to all the other provisions of the CWA US Airways passenger service contract by 6/1/06, or send all unresolved issues to arbitration.
6. US Airways recognizes the CWA/IBT Association as the legal representative of the agents and the existing CWA US Airways Passenger Service contract remains in full effect.
7. "Seamless Service" provisions for cross-utilizing US Airways and America West agents at overlap stations are established.
I find this difficult to see this as something jammed up their throats. They lost no membership not even in the future.
They gained Mainline Express Who are also at mainline rates. Hell, they were
integrated at date of hire. Even the
TWU dispatchers who were
both TWU pre-merger didn't settle seniority integration until April of this year(also date of hire).
I dont see snapback provisions at the end of the contract. I think they are the only group, correct me if I'm wrong, who has
enjoyed positive integration within our company.
3 month timeline. No amendable date. No snapbacks at the "end" of the contract. They kept their profit sharing. ??????
I am Fleet Service so I do not know your CS friends grievances towards their contract. I am like you in that I
am also searching for helpful information. The IBT/CWA contract is down loadable off their website and includes all
modifications both BK and Transition.
Hope this helps you in your quest whoever you are 1776phl,